Report - Initial 10 Team League? Creighton or Richmond?

[Eight Legger]

It's fair. Despite the success in the tournament, Creighton has been a more consistent program in computer numbers. Looking at Sagarin...

Since 2003-04 Richmond scored stronger than Creighton in 3 seasons.

Since 2003-04 Richmond has had 5 seasons which scored worse than Creighton's worst in the span.

Since 2003-04 Richmond scored below 80 in 7 seasons, Creighton in 3.

That extra tournament win for Richmond is definitely a boost over Creighton, but that's talking only a few games over a decade. Creighton looks like a program kept in much better shape.

Fair points. I was just responding to the claim that Dayton and Creighton are "way ahead" of UR in NCAA tournament appearances. Historically, that is probably true, but no one cares about anything longer than a decade ago. If they did, I would mention that we were the first 15 seed to beat a 2 seed and we're also the only team to win NCAA games as a 12, 13, 14 and 15.

Our program was basically destroyed by Jerry Wainwright after John Beilein left, and it took us 3 years to recover. Beilein had us in great shape, Wainwright enjoyed a few years of success but had some shady dealings that forced Mooney to start from scratch. But Mooney has taken us to the tourney 2 times in the past 3 years.

[sandw04]

Ranking of TV markets, something Fox will be most concerned about:

1. New York (St. Johns, Seton Hall)
3. Chicago (DePaul)
4. Philadelphia Villanova)
5. Washington, DC (Georgetown)
21. St. Louis (SLU)
25. Indianapolis (Butler)
34. Cincinnati (Xavier)
35. Milwaukee (Marquette)
52. Providence
58. Richmond
64. Dayton
76. Omaha

[Bostonspider]

I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Also UR's Olympic sports have consistently been a step above Dayton and SLU at least if you looked at the old A10 Commissioners Cup, which was dominated by UR, Charlotte and UMass.

[BillEsq]

Ranking of TV markets, something Fox will be most concerned about:

1. New York (St. Johns, Seton Hall)
3. Chicago (DePaul)
4. Philadelphia Villanova)
5. Washington, DC (Georgetown)
21. St. Louis (SLU)
25. Indianapolis (Butler)
34. Cincinnati (Xavier)
35. Milwaukee (Marquette)
52. Providence
58. Richmond
64. Dayton
76. Omaha

another thing to be considered in all of this is that FOX is moving to a three tier system Fox1; Fox 2; and Fox Regionals.
The goal is to get F1 and F2 on basic packages which increases households fox will then increase the rates for the three channels and my triple. this is done by paring it with the Regionals in order to do so you need something to link the regionals to the new Fox's Cincy, st louis and Milwaukee have regionals that are heavily watched for baseball. X has a deal with fxohio already and St louis has the double wammy of the blues. i believe the bucks are on fx wisconsin as well. fox will by adding teams in these markets be able to play OOC games not picked up on the Regional and create a link between the three networks. Also it will be able to hold the local cable co's hostage by saying pay and increased rate for all three fox channels or you don't get them. In cities like STL and Cincy the cable co's will have to break due to demand of baseball and other sports. Once fox does that the dish networks and uverse will be forced to follow suit to match programs... Fox controls most the west, midwest and NE and surprise has share over the MSG network. Fox is in this for business and it knows where its money is plus it might have some significant input on who gets MSG, if they want 12 they will get it. If you want to know who they want look at the cable companies and regional sport networks. And remember if your in a comcast area your NBC sports and that will hurt your chances in the long run.

[Jet915]

Since 2003, Creighton has 4 NCAA tournament appearances and one win.

Since 2003, Richmond has 3 NCAA tournament appearances, 2 wins and a Sweet 16.

I'm not sure it's fair to say that Creighton has been better than UR in the past decade.

True, but if you go back 15 years, Creighton has 8 appearances while UR still has 3.

[BillEsq]

I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Also UR's Olympic sports have consistently been a step above Dayton and SLU at least if you looked at the old A10 Commissioners Cup, which was dominated by UR, Charlotte and UMass.

True but there are few money sports. One of the odd things out of this is that there could be a separate deal made with the C7 plus for soccer. No we aren't talking bball money but Fox has the old Fox Soccer infrastructure it will be putting in to the FS2. It has currently a deal to play 3 ncaa games a week. It could easily add a deal to bring in the soccer schools of the big east. It makes sense... Fox has nascar and the PAC so it doesn't need football but on its second tier station it could fill it up with soccer and attract the soccer fans who while niche have proven to be a decent little niche. If you want football watch FS1 if you want soccer watch FS2. When SEC, BIG and B12 and ACC football are already gone soccer is a nice fall option and a good program filler.

[BillEsq]

Since 2003, Creighton has 4 NCAA tournament appearances and one win.

Since 2003, Richmond has 3 NCAA tournament appearances, 2 wins and a Sweet 16.

I'm not sure it's fair to say that Creighton has been better than UR in the past decade.

True, but if you go back 15 years, Creighton has 8 appearances while UR still has 3.

LOL my 5 years are better than your 10 years my 8 year KENPOM is better than your 6 year Sagrin... are you guys seriously listening to yourselves... we will all crap ourselves when they pick Northeastern saying they want the Boston Market

[Bluejay]

I think location is a bigger deal than some people are saying. It is not just that UR is less than a 100 miles from Georgetown, it is that 4 of the C7 can bus all of their sports teams to Richmond. That closeness to NYC, Philly and DC makes UR an easy add. Also UR's Olympic sports have consistently been a step above Dayton and SLU at least if you looked at the old A10 Commissioners Cup, which was dominated by UR, Charlotte and UMass.

True but there are few money sports. One of the odd things out of this is that there could be a separate deal made with the C7 plus for soccer. No we aren't talking bball money but Fox has the old Fox Soccer infrastructure it will be putting in to the FS2. It has currently a deal to play 3 ncaa games a week. It could easily add a deal to bring in the soccer schools of the big east. It makes sense... Fox has nascar and the PAC so it doesn't need football but on its second tier station it could fill it up with soccer and attract the soccer fans who while niche have proven to be a decent little niche. If you want football watch FS1 if you want soccer watch FS2. When SEC, BIG and B12 and ACC football are already gone soccer is a nice fall option and a good program filler.

If there is a market for college soccer, and I'm not sure that there is, this new conference could really be a soccer powerhouse. You've got the traditional BE soccer schools, plus some of the best programs in SLU and Creighton. It is entirely possible that 1/2 or more of the top ten could be schools in the conference...

When this whole new conference started to be talked about in Creighton circles, I once heard someone quip, "the basketball program would be excited, but the soccer program would be ecstatic"

[Bostonspider]

I was looking at 10 versus 12 and, In reality the difference in inventory is not that large. With 10 teams, you play an 18 game schedule for a total of 90 league games. With 12 teams, you play a 16 game schedule for a total of 96 league games. Only a 6.7% difference. It's way you do get to have true round robin schedule which is great.

[Bluejay]

I was looking at 10 versus 12 and, In reality the difference in inventory is not that large. With 10 teams, you play an 18 game schedule for a total of 90 league games. With 12 teams, you play a 16 game schedule for a total of 96 league games. Only a 6.7% difference.

True, but you are omitting all of the noncon games which the TV network would have the rights to as well.