stever20 wrote:jfan wrote:Creighton was 29th in the AP and 28th in the Coaches and we won 2 games, so there is a chance we could be ranked. With all the variables, you never know. Wouldn't be surprised either way!
problem for Creighton is unranked teams like Florida St, Texas Tech, Arizona got ranked wins this week and all will easily pass Creighton one would think.
adoraz wrote:stever20 wrote:jfan wrote:Creighton was 29th in the AP and 28th in the Coaches and we won 2 games, so there is a chance we could be ranked. With all the variables, you never know. Wouldn't be surprised either way!
problem for Creighton is unranked teams like Florida St, Texas Tech, Arizona got ranked wins this week and all will easily pass Creighton one would think.
Stever trying to defend his ridiculous argument from earlier lol.
Creighton won't be ranked tomorrow. No matter what, it was going to be extremely unlikely for Creighton to get ranked this week. I've been following these polls closely for years, and unless you beat a quality opponent, you're not going to move from 29 to 25 in one week. If you're NOT playing a quality opponent, it takes both 1) at least 4 teams dropping completely out of the rankings and 2) no teams behind you getting quality wins and passing you. Obviously if good teams are losing, often they are losing to quality opponents who are sometimes unranked... so you'll either have neither or one or the other. Both combined just doesn't happen that often.
General rule of thumb: when non-BE Top 25 teams lose, it's good for the BE. Don't bother replying with examples of when this ISN'T good, because that's not an absolute rule. But generally, more often than not it is.
adoraz wrote:stever20 wrote:jfan wrote:Creighton was 29th in the AP and 28th in the Coaches and we won 2 games, so there is a chance we could be ranked. With all the variables, you never know. Wouldn't be surprised either way!
problem for Creighton is unranked teams like Florida St, Texas Tech, Arizona got ranked wins this week and all will easily pass Creighton one would think.
Stever trying to defend his ridiculous argument from earlier lol.
Creighton won't be ranked tomorrow. No matter what, it was going to be extremely unlikely for Creighton to get ranked this week. I've been following these polls closely for years, and unless you beat a quality opponent, you're not going to move from 29 to 25 in one week. If you're NOT playing a quality opponent, it takes both 1) at least 4 teams dropping completely out of the rankings and 2) no teams behind you getting quality wins and passing you. Obviously if good teams are losing, often they are losing to quality opponents who are sometimes unranked... so you'll either have neither or one or the other. Both combined just doesn't happen that often.
General rule of thumb: when non-BE Top 25 teams lose, it's good for the BE. Don't bother replying with examples of when this ISN'T good, because that's not an absolute rule. But generally, more often than not it is.
ecasadoSBU wrote:
Good explanation.
IMO I doubt the Big East will be #1 in RPI when its all said and done. That spot will most likely go to the B12. But I think the #2 spot is attainable and its enough to potentially get 7 teams back in the NCAA Tournament . The league has to keep avoiding bad losses and get some additional Major wins prior to league play. It's going to be fun to see this RPI race between the BIGEAST/ACC for 2nd place.
Finishing the OOC portion with .800 or more winning percentage would be huge on its own!
stever20 wrote:ecasadoSBU wrote:
Good explanation.
IMO I doubt the Big East will be #1 in RPI when its all said and done. That spot will most likely go to the B12. But I think the #2 spot is attainable and its enough to potentially get 7 teams back in the NCAA Tournament . The league has to keep avoiding bad losses and get some additional Major wins prior to league play. It's going to be fun to see this RPI race between the BIGEAST/ACC for 2nd place.
Finishing the OOC portion with .800 or more winning percentage would be huge on its own!
Getting 7 teams in the tourney will be really tough. The specific teams that would likely be the 6th and 7th teams haven't fared all that well OOC play. Only 5 teams could finish 9-9 in conference play and feel totally safe getting in the tourney. Villanova, Xavier, Seton Hall, Butler, and Creighton. St John's would be pretty safe I think. Providence and Marquette would have RPI's in the 49/50 range.
And the only ones who could finish 8-10 in conference play and feel good about their tourney chances- Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall.
ecasadoSBU wrote:stever20 wrote:ecasadoSBU wrote:
Good explanation.
IMO I doubt the Big East will be #1 in RPI when its all said and done. That spot will most likely go to the B12. But I think the #2 spot is attainable and its enough to potentially get 7 teams back in the NCAA Tournament . The league has to keep avoiding bad losses and get some additional Major wins prior to league play. It's going to be fun to see this RPI race between the BIGEAST/ACC for 2nd place.
Finishing the OOC portion with .800 or more winning percentage would be huge on its own!
Getting 7 teams in the tourney will be really tough. The specific teams that would likely be the 6th and 7th teams haven't fared all that well OOC play. Only 5 teams could finish 9-9 in conference play and feel totally safe getting in the tourney. Villanova, Xavier, Seton Hall, Butler, and Creighton. St John's would be pretty safe I think. Providence and Marquette would have RPI's in the 49/50 range.
And the only ones who could finish 8-10 in conference play and feel good about their tourney chances- Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall.
Dude. You spent the entire year last year saying how it was almost impossible to get 7 bids. You should learn your lesson and just wait and see
kayako wrote:It's too early to speculate, but the bids will range from 5 to 8. If I had to guess how it looks at the moment...
Nova, Xavier, Hall - locks
Creighton - relatively safe
Butler - probably on the right side of the bubble
Johnnies - bubble
Marquette, Providence - fringe bubble
Georgetown - who knows
DePaul - need to win the BET
Let's just finish the ooc season strong and go from there.
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