Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

[_lh]

It's not stupid at all. Those schools don't make senses for those conferences to add. Any of the other big conferences would love to have Texas and OU. The others simply are not that attractive by themselves or as a group without either Texas or OU. If they were those conferences would have taken them by now.

What is stupid is thinking the PAC will take B12 leftovers just to get to 16 members or the SEC taking two school with one of them not being either OU or Texas from the current B12.

I bet you said the same thing about WVU, Rutgers and Missouri too right? The Pac can take Big XII left overs or MWC schools. The SEC taking two schools who one helps them lock up the two large cities in Texas. If they can't get Texas why not lock up Dallas?

So by your logic if a team isn;t in a conference today they will never be in that conference because they would already be in that conference. Yup. Makes total sense and is totally rational looking back at the last 20-25 years of college sports.

LOL. I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying there is no way the SEC takes WVU and TCU without either Texas or OU. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Both were looking for a place to land just a few short years ago and the SEC made no move for either. They obviously aren't interested.

[NJRedman]

It's not stupid at all. Those schools don't make senses for those conferences to add. Any of the other big conferences would love to have Texas and OU. The others simply are not that attractive by themselves or as a group without either Texas or OU. If they were those conferences would have taken them by now.

What is stupid is thinking the PAC will take B12 leftovers just to get to 16 members or the SEC taking two school with one of them not being either OU or Texas from the current B12.

I bet you said the same thing about WVU, Rutgers and Missouri too right? The Pac can take Big XII left overs or MWC schools. The SEC taking two schools who one helps them lock up the two large cities in Texas. If they can't get Texas why not lock up Dallas?

So by your logic if a team isn;t in a conference today they will never be in that conference because they would already be in that conference. Yup. Makes total sense and is totally rational looking back at the last 20-25 years of college sports.

LOL. I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying there is no way the SEC takes WVU and TCU without either Texas or OU. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention. Both were looking for a place to land just a few short years ago and the SEC made no move for either. They obviously aren't interested.

The B1G wasn't interested in Rutgers until they were. The Pac wasn't interested in Utah until they were. Heck the Pac was trying to add 6 schools from the Big XII and settled on Utah.

I don't think you have been paying attention. You keep saying if they wanted them they would have gotten them. Since when has that ever made any sense in CFB? If the ACC wanted Pitt they would have added them when they added Miami. Oh wait! See how your logic plays out?

[_lh]

You clearly don't get it or are pretending not to. The SEC is not going to take TCU and WVU by themselves. They might expand for the likes of Texas, OU and UNC but not for teams they have no interest in. The SEC could have taken TCU or WVU when the BE blew up and every day since but the chose not to.

[NJRedman]

You clearly don't get it or are pretending not to. The SEC is not going to take TCU and WVU by themselves. They might expand for the likes of Texas, OU and UNC but not for teams they have no interest in. The SEC could have taken TCU or WVU when the BE blew up and every day since but the chose not to.

That flies in the face of every move over the last 25+ years. The ACC could have taken Pitt and Cuse when they took Miami but they didn't until they did.
Past moves are not indicators of future moves. The B1G could have taken Rutgers when it took PSU or when it took NU but didn't. Then they added them as their 14th school.

Saying I clearly don't get is funny since you keep saying "if they wanted to add school X they would have done it by now." ignoring the fact that almost every conference has expanded, sometimes multiple times over the last decade plus.

Let me explain it to you how it could happen.

The B1G goes to 16 with OU and KU.

The Pac-12 goes to 16 with Texas, Tech, OSU and Houston.

You think the SEC is going to just sit at 14? Sitting there for the taking is the Dallas TV market a top 4 market. Getting them paired with A&M will give the SEC great penetration in both TV sets and recruiting. Balancing them out with a team in the east like WVU who has a quality FB program, is a cultural fit and keeps the divisions in place without having to move the Bama schools to the east which they don't want to do.

Think of TCU as a Maryland/Rutgers type move. Not really sexy but gets them into an area they would really like to be and is a nice consolation prize if they can't get either of the big 2.

[_lh]

Your proposal is silly. Conferences don't need to be 16 teams for any reason and won't take the likes of TCU, Baylor, Iowa St. to get there. You are grasping at straws.

The SEC is not going to take WVU and TCU by themselves.

Texas and OU and maybe OSU in a package deal with OU will find a new home if and when the B12 breaks up but the rest won't and will continue on as the new B12 adding in some from the AAC.

[Savannah Jay]

Your proposal is silly. Conferences don't need to be 16 teams for any reason and won't take the likes of TCU, Baylor, Iowa St. to get there. You are grasping at straws.

The SEC is not going to take WVU and TCU by themselves.

The SEC is only going to take schools that add serious revenue to the coffers.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/02/sec_revenue_distribution.html

According to the attached article, the SEC had revenues of $639 million and distributed $40.4 million to each of the 14 member schools for school year 2015-16 (I believe the bowl revenue is in addition to that number).

The SEC network is already in Dallas, not sure about WV...but I don't see very many schools (if any) being net revenue gains for the SEC. They are not going to go to 16 "just because everyone is doing it." They will do so if there's a business case for doing so but their revenues are so huge now (and far superior to any other conference) that it's tough to see how adding any school not named Texas or Notre Dame would be a net revenue gain for the conference schools. Wouldn't two new schools need to add over $80MM in net revenue to the conference for it to be a break even deal?

[NJRedman]

Your proposal is silly. Conferences don't need to be 16 teams for any reason and won't take the likes of TCU, Baylor, Iowa St. to get there. You are grasping at straws.

The SEC is not going to take WVU and TCU by themselves.

The SEC is only going to take schools that add serious revenue to the coffers.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/02/sec_revenue_distribution.html

According to the attached article, the SEC had revenues of $639 million and distributed $40.4 million to each of the 14 member schools for school year 2015-16 (I believe the bowl revenue is in addition to that number).

The SEC network is already in Dallas, not sure about WV...but I don't see very many schools (if any) being net revenue gains for the SEC. They are not going to go to 16 "just because everyone is doing it." They will do so if there's a business case for doing so but their revenues are so huge now (and far superior to any other conference) that it's tough to see how adding any school not named Texas or Notre Dame would be a net revenue gain for the conference schools. Wouldn't two new schools need to add over $80MM in net revenue to the conference for it to be a break even deal?

First off the SEC network might be there but it's not in the basic lineup which is what happened when Rutgers joined the B1G. Then they could charge more for the network. Having a team outside Houston doesn't mean it's in the main package in Dallas/FW.

Everything will be streaming soon. So they need as much content as they can get. All of the major conferences need that. TCU and WVU aren't some chumps. Being in the Dallas/FW market is still a big goal. You don't think the Mississippi schools don't want to play in Texas every single year? Arkansas? Auburn? Heck that even means more chances for the eastern division teams to get more games in the recruiting hot bed. If Texas isn't an option the SEC will still want another school in Texas and TCU is the best one available. Situated in a top 4 TV market and a great recruiting territory.

The SEC wont sit on their hands if there are a bunch of quality schools sit on the table. They will snatch up who they can before the Pac and B1G can strengthen themselves. Remember it's not just about what each school brings but it's also about keep valuable parts away from the competition. You think the SEC wants the Pac in TX? Nope.

No they don't need to bring 80+million to the table. No one brings that. You think Miss St brings that much? Nope. The TV contract wont shrink with two new members.

[_lh]

The SEC would love OU or Texas but won't want TCU or WVU by themselves. They also don't need to have 16 members.

[Savannah Jay]

Your proposal is silly. Conferences don't need to be 16 teams for any reason and won't take the likes of TCU, Baylor, Iowa St. to get there. You are grasping at straws.

The SEC is not going to take WVU and TCU by themselves.

The SEC is only going to take schools that add serious revenue to the coffers.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/02/sec_revenue_distribution.html

According to the attached article, the SEC had revenues of $639 million and distributed $40.4 million to each of the 14 member schools for school year 2015-16 (I believe the bowl revenue is in addition to that number).

The SEC network is already in Dallas, not sure about WV...but I don't see very many schools (if any) being net revenue gains for the SEC. They are not going to go to 16 "just because everyone is doing it." They will do so if there's a business case for doing so but their revenues are so huge now (and far superior to any other conference) that it's tough to see how adding any school not named Texas or Notre Dame would be a net revenue gain for the conference schools. Wouldn't two new schools need to add over $80MM in net revenue to the conference for it to be a break even deal?

First off the SEC network might be there but it's not in the basic lineup which is what happened when Rutgers joined the B1G. Then they could charge more for the network. Having a team outside Houston doesn't mean it's in the main package in Dallas/FW.

Everything will be streaming soon. So they need as much content as they can get. All of the major conferences need that. TCU and WVU aren't some chumps. Being in the Dallas/FW market is still a big goal. You don't think the Mississippi schools don't want to play in Texas every single year? Arkansas? Auburn? Heck that even means more chances for the eastern division teams to get more games in the recruiting hot bed. If Texas isn't an option the SEC will still want another school in Texas and TCU is the best one available. Situated in a top 4 TV market and a great recruiting territory.

The SEC wont sit on their hands if there are a bunch of quality schools sit on the table. They will snatch up who they can before the Pac and B1G can strengthen themselves. Remember it's not just about what each school brings but it's also about keep valuable parts away from the competition. You think the SEC wants the Pac in TX? Nope.

No they don't need to bring 80+million to the table. No one brings that. You think Miss St brings that much? Nope. The TV contract wont shrink with two new members.

Plenty to pick apart here but will keep it brief:
1. No one in the SEC is worried about the PAC 12/14/16 and won't bat an eye if TCU joins that Pac
2. Arkansas wants to play in Texas? Have they changed their mind in the last 25 years? Because they used to play half their games in Texas but decided to leave for the SEC.
3. SEC schools were paid $40.4 per school in the last academic year (kinda funny to type academic year...). Adding any school that doesn't up that figure won't happen.
4. Mississippi schools want to play "in Texas?" If you're talking UT, YES! TCU and their "quaint" little stadium that's half (or less) the size of the stadium at Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, Auburn...adding TCU takes a game away from someplace else.
5. Not sure what cable system doesn't have SEC in the basic line up but I know folks in Dallas metro (I believe with Time Warner) that get the SEC. Of course, with streaming even that won't matter.

[CrawfishBucket]

The SEC would love OU or Texas but won't want TCU or WVU by themselves. They also don't need to have 16 members.

The SEC will go to 16. Likely the two Oklahoma schools.