Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:56 pm

Dwon wrote:In sorry but its the truth!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IFSU6V6FM


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Postby DudeAnon » Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:21 pm

GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
Dwon wrote:In sorry but its the truth!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IFSU6V6FM


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lol, what was he attempting to convey by linking to that video? That VCU beat X once means what exactly? Just a reminder, VCU has 1 Sweet 16. Ever.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby JohnW22 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:04 am

Dwon wrote:
Xudash wrote:BTW, the answer to the homogeneity question is that it is proving to be good. We're succeeding, according to the people that matter in all this.

The BE leadership is pleased with our performance and direction and it loves the composition and size of the conference.

MSG is pleased as well.

BTW, so is Fox.

The chances for BE conference expansion are so remote for the foreseeable future that it isn't even funny. Zero interest in non-P5 schools. No exertion of energy towards considering P5 and AAC schools that aren't close to being "available" anyway. And the subject of FOOTBALL is a negative - and obstacle - for any discussion that may occur down that road.

And on a final note, ESPN is most likely around the corner from having to go through some additional major talent cuts. Mickey is worried. The subscription business model is a road to hell in a land with technological advances and increasing streaming.


In sorry but its the truth!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S0IFSU6V6FM

The truth is that was the worse Xavier team in over a decade that was up 22 before Dee Davis got hurt and Xavier had nobody to beat the press other than Semaj Christion who was a freshman if I remember correctly.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby milksteak » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:08 am

VCU fans are a weird bunch man. Don't ever say anything even slightly disparaging about their program on Twitter especially. They'll find the tweet even if you don't have any VCU followers. And they'll grab the pitchforks and form a Twitter mob.

I know from experience. It's bizarre.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby JohnW22 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:31 am

milksteak wrote:VCU fans are a weird bunch man. Don't ever say anything even slightly disparaging about their program on Twitter especially. They'll find the tweet even if you don't have any VCU followers. And they'll grab the pitchforks and form a Twitter mob.

I know from experience. It's bizarre.

Sounds like you had quite the tweet :lol:
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby Jet915 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:38 am

JohnW22 wrote:
milksteak wrote:VCU fans are a weird bunch man. Don't ever say anything even slightly disparaging about their program on Twitter especially. They'll find the tweet even if you don't have any VCU followers. And they'll grab the pitchforks and form a Twitter mob.

I know from experience. It's bizarre.

Sounds like you had quite the tweet :lol:


When the NBE was forming and VCU was a potential candidate, I remember alot of disparaging remarks towards other potential candidate schools, kinda reminded me of Wichita State fans, really gave me a tainted negative view toward their fanbase but thats just my experience....
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby sciencejay » Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:50 am

Xudash wrote:BTW, the answer to the homogeneity question is that it is proving to be good. We're succeeding, according to the people that matter in all this.

The BE leadership is pleased with our performance and direction and it loves the composition and size of the conference.

MSG is pleased as well.

BTW, so is Fox.

The chances for BE conference expansion are so remote for the foreseeable future that it isn't even funny. Zero interest in non-P5 schools. No exertion of energy towards considering P5 and AAC schools that aren't close to being "available" anyway. And the subject of FOOTBALL is a negative - and obstacle - for any discussion that may occur down that road.

And on a final note, ESPN is most likely around the corner from having to go through some additional major talent cuts. Mickey is worried. The subscription business model is a road to hell in a land with technological advances and increasing streaming.


I've asked this before with regard to statements like the above, but what evidence do you have that these are true? Public statements are often made with a PR purpose in mind. Of course, school presidents, conference execs and TV execs will trumpet what a great thing we've got going because to indicate any less would be tantamount to admitting failure (and besides, we have the 2014 NPOY and the 2016 National Champs). I'm not saying we're in a bad place, but I also agree that TV contracts will look dramatically different going forward. Do we really know that the presidents prefer small, private schools? They may, but the conference execs and Fox execs surely are more interested in national profile and eyes on the tube--because it's all about the money. Those two players in this equation may very well care less about school size and public/private status. They want to grow the brand, and expanding the conference (I'm a fan of a 12 team conference, but could be convinced that 14 is better) may help them get there. It's all about money, and we will never have a TV contract that brings in the kind of money that the FBS schools get from football. So we have to stay as relevant on a national basis as we can without that fall football season exposure and $$.

So I say homogeneity is not necessarily good (although I think Gonzaga would be great) or bad. I think it's not the real questions. The longevity of this conference is dependent on increasing our brand. That could come with DePaul, St. Johns and G'town all becoming top 20 programs, but history would suggest that is unlikely. I expect our ratings will continue to improve over the next several years as we continue to have many teams make the tourney and ultimately challenge for the throne. But will they increase enough for Fox to want to maintain or increase their financial support? We don't know, but I argue that adding schools with good basketball programs can further enhance the 'brand' and better our chances of remaining relevant nationally for years to come.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby Xudash » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:48 am

JohnW22 wrote: The truth is that was the worse Xavier team in over a decade that was up 22 before Dee Davis got hurt and Xavier had nobody to beat the press other than Semaj Christion who was a freshman if I remember correctly.


Dee Davis got hurt because of HAVOC. I remember the game. He was mugged outright with no call made.

So, not only does this loser find a way to get himself put on double secret probation on a message board, but he stirs up some negative feelings towards his program.

Well done. Stay sharp!
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby gtmoBlue » Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:58 am

Nice post with great points ScienceJay.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby DudeAnon » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:15 pm

One advantage of staying with private schools is the ability to uniformly address the issue of paying players. Its only a matter of time until the entire college athletics landscape changes in this regard. If we remain private we will allow ourselves to assume simply and uniform policies. If we add a public school we will lose this.
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