Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Dwon » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:12 am

Hey guys, check this short video of Wichita state president speaking about the reasons why they got the invite to the aac. He said it was because they are a research 2 university more so than their basketball success.
[url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTRmhHuzrg[/url]

Now here is the link to which universities are R1 & R2. Watch the video first then come to this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby ArmyVet » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:19 am

Dwon wrote:Hey guys, check this short video of Wichita state president speaking about the reasons why they got the invite to the aac. He said it was because they are a research 2 university more so than their basketball success.
[url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTRmhHuzrg[/url]

Now here is the link to which universities are R1 & R2. Watch the video first then come to this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States

You can't be so naïve as to believe that though right? There are better research universities all up and down the Atlantic coast who have lesser programs. Wichita was invited because of basketball and that's all.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Jet915 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:37 pm

ArmyVet wrote:
Dwon wrote:Hey guys, check this short video of Wichita state president speaking about the reasons why they got the invite to the aac. He said it was because they are a research 2 university more so than their basketball success.
[url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTRmhHuzrg[/url]

Now here is the link to which universities are R1 & R2. Watch the video first then come to this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States

You can't be so naïve as to believe that though right? There are better research universities all up and down the Atlantic coast who have lesser programs. Wichita was invited because of basketball and that's all.


This exactly. Wichita State's academics and acceptance rate is closer to a community college than a major research university.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:40 pm

If you disregard Wichita State's academics, institutional-fit, and location, they would be a perfect fit for the Big East...
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby BEXU » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:15 pm

Pomeroy Comference Strength 2017-2018

1. B12, 2. BE, 3. SEC, 4. ACC, 5. B10, 6. P12, 7. AAC, 8. MW, 9. A10 10. MVC

A-10 weak.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby DeltaV » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:07 pm

Dwon wrote:Hey guys, check this short video of Wichita state president speaking about the reasons why they got the invite to the aac. He said it was because they are a research 2 university more so than their basketball success.
[url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTRmhHuzrg[/url]

Now here is the link to which universities are R1 & R2. Watch the video first then come to this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States


No.

Anyway, a majority of schools in the Big East are not heavy research institutions. Instead, they are universities which emphasize undergraduate education and growth by professors actually teaching (instead of focusing on research) and promoting activities outside of the classroom. The Villanova ones stick out in my mind, but all of the institutional spots I saw during the season emphasized sense of community, service, and well rounded individuals.

I picked grad school for research activities, not undergrad.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby myopicraiderfan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:33 pm

DeltaV wrote:
Dwon wrote:Hey guys, check this short video of Wichita state president speaking about the reasons why they got the invite to the aac. He said it was because they are a research 2 university more so than their basketball success.
[url]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WyTRmhHuzrg[/url]

Now here is the link to which universities are R1 & R2. Watch the video first then come to this link.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_research_universities_in_the_United_States


No.

Anyway, a majority of schools in the Big East are not heavy research institutions. Instead, they are universities which emphasize undergraduate education and growth by professors actually teaching (instead of focusing on research) and promoting activities outside of the classroom. The Villanova ones stick out in my mind, but all of the institutional spots I saw during the season emphasized sense of community, service, and well rounded individuals.

I picked grad school for research activities, not undergrad.


The Jesuit principles are what is being described. Just because a university is a research university, doesn't directly affect the quality of the university. I have no doubt Wichita could be a R2 research university, purely because of NIAR. The Big East doesn't need nor will it expand unless there is a real benefit to the existing schools. I can't see Fox upping their money, so that automatically means that any expansion discussion will wait until year 8 of the contract.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby Bluejay » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:41 am

Just a quick point to the couple of posters claiming that the Big East missed out on the great oppportunity to add Wichita State ----- (pay attention)

Even after being a member of the aac, WSU would drop that conference membership in a second if the Big East offered them a spot.

Read that again.

We offer stability and a basketball first conference without football (not to mention more money).

We haven't missed out on anything. If we want to add WSU in the future, they would be more than happy to piss all over their new conference pals to get in. That's a fact.
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Re: Homogeneity of Membership is not necessarily good

Postby H.U.S.T.L.E. » Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:56 am

BEXU wrote:Pomeroy Comference Strength 2017-2018

1. B12, 2. BE, 3. SEC, 4. ACC, 5. B10, 6. P12, 7. AAC, 8. MW, 9. A10 10. MVC

A-10 weak.


For the upcoming season? I love Ken's work and he's a really smart guy, but I think it's silly to put stock into any of that before the carousel of player movement stops.

Let's wait until games are actually played in 7 months time before declaring any conference strong or weak.
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Re: Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

Postby XtoDC » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:38 pm

Is there any chance we could have a separate forum just for expansion talk and all the other hypotheticals? There are constantly new threads sprouted about the same lame ideas off of zero new information, it just gets tiresome. Just like the “Big East basketball message board” and “Big East Recruiting” forums, now there could be an “Expansion Forum” where people that like to read about and discuss the same topic have all the freedom in the world to do so and it is just that much easier for the rest of us to ignore.
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