Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

[DudeAnon]

VCU is an odd case because they are good now, but historically they are very mediocre. 1 Sweet 16 in their history. Dayton similar.

[Savannah Jay]

Sorry, but I still really don't see what VCU brings to the Big East. Okay, they made a final four 6 years ago. George Mason made a final four once too, why aren't we talking about them? It's a move that's obviously beneficial to VCU, but I don't see any benefit to the conference or any of the 10 current member schools.

They make the tournament a lot by beating up on bad conferences. That doesn't mean much. Any school can look good by pointing to how they look when they're winning? It won't be so easy in the Big East, so what do they offer if they're in the bottom half and missing the tournament more often than not?

7 straight NCAAs through 3 coaches, 10 out of 14 past NCAAs with 4 coaches. Thats a program and an environment dedicated to basketball. Travels wel to NYC, has a $25 million practice facility, 99 straight sell outs which started before the Final Four.

Smack in the middle of great recruiting ground (VA, MD and NC are all top 5 in terms of D1 basketball recruits). Public school in the state capital, encompasses the entire state as opposed to a city. Has a $2 million/yr media rights deal (firm data not conjecture on how many eyeballs they bring in).

Would instantly be the "bad guy" in conference due to the public/private dichotomy (already get this in the A10 enough when traveling to private schools).

Within the current footprint. 11 straight seasons of 24+ wins.

If beating up on "lesser conferences" (CAA then A10) was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

Holy smokes, it's ground hog day. Posted on one of the other 53 threads on realignment. None of Maryland, Virginia, or North Carolina are top 5 recruiting states based on the 5,176 kids that played Division 1 ball this year.


http://herosports.com/news/college-bask ... eaaron-fox

In case the link doesn't work, top 10:

1. Texas
2. California
3. Illinois
4. Florida
5. New York
6. North Carolina
7. Georgia
8, Ohio
9. Virginia
10. Maryland

[Gopher+RamFan]

Sorry, but I still really don't see what VCU brings to the Big East. Okay, they made a final four 6 years ago. George Mason made a final four once too, why aren't we talking about them? It's a move that's obviously beneficial to VCU, but I don't see any benefit to the conference or any of the 10 current member schools.

They make the tournament a lot by beating up on bad conferences. That doesn't mean much. Any school can look good by pointing to how they look when they're winning? It won't be so easy in the Big East, so what do they offer if they're in the bottom half and missing the tournament more often than not?

7 straight NCAAs through 3 coaches, 10 out of 14 past NCAAs with 4 coaches. Thats a program and an environment dedicated to basketball. Travels wel to NYC, has a $25 million practice facility, 99 straight sell outs which started before the Final Four.

Smack in the middle of great recruiting ground (VA, MD and NC are all top 5 in terms of D1 basketball recruits). Public school in the state capital, encompasses the entire state as opposed to a city. Has a $2 million/yr media rights deal (firm data not conjecture on how many eyeballs they bring in).

Would instantly be the "bad guy" in conference due to the public/private dichotomy (already get this in the A10 enough when traveling to private schools).

Within the current footprint. 11 straight seasons of 24+ wins.

If beating up on "lesser conferences" (CAA then A10) was that easy, everyone would be doing it.

Holy smokes, it's ground hog day. Posted on one of the other 53 threads on realignment. None of Maryland, Virginia, or North Carolina are top 5 recruiting states based on the 5,176 kids that played Division 1 ball this year.


http://herosports.com/news/college-bask ... eaaron-fox

In case the link doesn't work, top 10:

1. Texas
2. California
3. Illinois
4. Florida
5. New York
6. North Carolina
7. Georgia
8, Ohio
9. Virginia
10. Maryland

Thats interesting, Im local to DC and the Washington Post published an article with different statistics than herosports.com I guess theyre referencing percentage of High School seniors who are recruited or offered a D1 scholarship.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/rec ... any-state/

[BEwannabe]

I can see both the AAC and Big East considering both VCU and Dayton for expansion in the future. It is my opinion that the conference who asks second is going to be very sorry.
W

And after a few days of thinking I understood the AAC, Wichita St, UD & VCU to AAC rumor, I'm confused again because there is a distinct possibility the converations did happen last fall. But bottom rung AACer's, (AAC conference equals to Depaul) objected because they feared falling further down the conference standings.

But frankly the Big East has other alternatives but at this time bottom dwellers Duquesne, St. B, SLU, etc., which JP Scmack has theorized would be a good thing and I for one can't disprove him.

But I remain, BEwannabe.

[gosports1]

The answer four years ago was Boston University and Richmond, and the answer four years from now will be Boston University and Richmond. They are urban, private, rich, and, the best part, on the east coast.

The faster they are included the less will have to listen to insecure Xavier fans rattle off reasons why Dayton should not be considered.

BU? Why?

[Dwon]

The difference between the Washington Post article and the hero sports one is a living testament to why you don't believe everything you read on the internet. The source for the Washington Post article is the NCAA Research center stated right under the map key. The stated source under the map key for the herosports article is CBB States Create your own infographics.

That means VCU and the BE have a great chance to become heavy weights if they are voted in. Yes Georgetown may not want VCU in but there's plenty of talent to share from the DMV.No its not the department of motor vehicles, its DC/MD/VA.It's a special unity bond we have over here. All while contributing heavily to the death of the competition (ACC) by winning recruits over UVA and VTech. This would be a win/win situation for the BE. Talk about killing two birds with one stone...On the contrary Dayton would have a much tougher road to success having to recruit against Ohio state, Cincinnati,Notre Dame and Xavier...

[gtmoBlue]

Gottlieb and Dwon are sharing the bong. Valley schools and good ol' Virginia Commonwealth...
Gottlieb has his pants on backwards and Dwon believes all is well in the DelMarVa, DMV, Chocolate City, DC & the burbs, Ft Washington, Annapolis, and Bailey's Crossroads. Special unity bonds...lol The only specific "special" unity is the various and plentiful police, county mounties, state troopers, and all the gov cops putting a baton or bullet to your head. Keep smokin' Dougie G. and Dwon...keep smokin'!

[Dwon]

It's actually very unified. You'd be surprised.

[Hall2012]

Yes, VCU is in a nice recruiting area, but they're also 1 of 14 D1 programs in their state and at best the 3rd biggest program. That doesn't include all the North Carolina schools that they're directly competing with too. It'll take more than a Big East invite to consistently steal top recruits from the ACC schools in the area.

The idea of VCU taking over the area for the Big East sounds great but (maybe I'm being overly pessimistic), I don't think it's a reasonable expectation. The increased status may help VCU land a few more high rated local recruits, but the Big East simply doesn't resonate there. It's ACC country and there's not much we can do about it. I think trying to invade ACC territory would just be a waste of resources and we'd be much better off trying to strengthen our hold on the I95 corridor between Boston and DC.

I like VCU. It's a school I'd like to see SHU and other Big East schools regularly schedule OOC. I just don't see a fit as a Big East member school.

[EMT]

I'm getting tired of the argument of teams racking up 20+ win seasons and NCAA tourney bids from mid or even low mid major conferences as reasons to be invited into the BE. Gonzaga & Wichita St probably don't rack up high 20 win seasons in the BE and VCU certainly doesn't. Are they great in their leagues? Yes. Are they the best fit for the conference? I don't know.