Add Dayton and VCU

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It is certainly not inevitable that the BE will expand. Tv deals could be vastly different 3 years from now let alone 8. The BE is fine at 10 and will remain at 10 for a very, very long time.

[xusandy]

IF the Big East expands, neither VCU nor Dayton will be taken seriously in the discussion among the decision makers. Neither program brings anything at all to the league other than a history of having had some good men's basketball teams. Might as well aim for Duke and Kentucky if that's all you think matters.

[Bill Marsh]

It is certainly not inevitable that the BE will expand. Tv deals could be vastly different 3 years from now let alone 8.

Totally agree. As I said, there is no rush to act.

The BE is fine at 10 and will remain at 10 for a very, very long time.

Just as things could be vastly different in the TV market in 3 years, so could they be in conference realignment. So, there is no way to know what will be the case for a very, very long time. One option is for the conference to ignore the low ratings, put its head in the sand, and do nothing. The other is for them to be proactive. At some point, they're going to have to be proactive because there isn't an automatic renewal clause in the contract at the end of 8 years.

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The 10 team BE will land a good TV deal when the time comes.

[Bill Marsh]

The 10 team BE will land a good TV deal when the time comes.

Or they will not. Who knows?

[jaxalum]

Dudeanon,

WTF is wrong with you? Seriously. Bringing this kind of BS thread the week X and Butler are in the Sweet 16? If we were discussing adding any of the philly 5 schools, Nova fans would be having a shit fit, and rightfully so. I would never even consider bringing that scenario to the table out of respect for a fellow conference member, and there are so many reasons why. Nova has a block on St Joes anyways. First, there are only so many top 150 recruits. Right now, every other member school has a "BIg East" monopoly on their particular recruiting territory. The closest is X and Butler, who happen TO engage in recruiting wars for many of the same kids, and we are only two hours apart. GREAT f---ing idea adding another school in Dayton, which is 45 minutes away. That recruiting market is already semi saturated with X and Butler. Now, its a godamn ocean because of dumshit ideas like yours. AND THAT EQUALS 3 TEAMS PRODUCING A LESSER CALIBER PRODUCT ON THE FLOOR. Say George Washington has a run of tourney success. Unless Gtown is 100% behind it, thats a no go, and out of respect for the Hoyas I would never bring it up or support it in any way, shape, or form. Nebaraska and Creighton...same thing. Fordham receives a huge donation for their basktball program. They improve, garnreing bids consistently, and advancing from time to time. You talk about a PERFECT fit in the Big East. But, out of respect for St Johns.....if asked, my response, "who is Fordham?". And walk away.

And then the caliber of coach you are able to hire takes a huge hit. A coach realizes that he could be f#cking John Wooden with X's and O's, but he also realizes that if he's unable to bring in players, its a moot point. WHAT COACH WANTS TO BE SURROUNDED BY SCHOOLS IN HTE SAME CONFERENCE THAT RECRUIT/TARGET THE SAME TYPE OF KID? Great idea Dudeanon. Again.

I could bring up how our administration has done the work to get into the Big East, as it improves overall branding, national recognition as an academic and athletic institution.

What iv'e kept quiet about for the most part is how every other fan base talks about adding Dayton as casually as what they shot on the course last Sunday at their local golf club. There is NO transference of perspective, or a godamn modicum of respect OF HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT XAVIER. Just for one unselfish moment, put yourself in a Xavier fans shoes. You've put in a good 30 plus years to finally receive that coveted invitation. Within a year, expansion talks start and it's mostly centered around a school 45 minutes away from you. The only reason why this school is even in the conversation is pure lack of choices...that's it. But, you're new to the conference and dont want to make waves, so for the most part, you keep somewhat quiet, even though adding a school this close to you could have devastating effects on an institutional and athletic level.

For you business grads, heres's an easy example. You have BIG EAST INC headquartered out of Manhattan. You have 10 satellite offices, mostly on the East Coast/ Midwest. You are looking at expansion. i.e. expand your territory, your national footprint. During a meeting CEO Ms. Ackerman, asks for ideas for expansion cities. This associate, Dudeanon immediately speaks up, "How about Dayton?". He starts to expound on what he considers bullet proof, top notch analytics.......Val. "Excuse me, but do we not have a Cincinnati office that is 45 minutes away that is one of our top 2-3 producers that already COVERS that territory , and also we have another office that's less than 2 hours away that is also one of our top 2-3 producers, correct? So, essentially you want me to build another office in a territory that is already twice covered"....silence..."uhhhhhh". Val, "you're fired. Your ignorant diatribe has wasted 60 seconds I will never be able to recover, and you've robbed me and everyone in here of IQ points. Tell security to escort this person out, and they have carte blanche to rough him up as they see fit, preferrably in the industrial elevator where there are no cameras".



I'll conclude by saying this; In it's most basic form, when we have these ridiculously long diatribes concerning expansion, everytime a conference member supports Dayton as an expansion candidate, it is a public gesture of disrespect towards Xavier, and Butler to a lesser level/extent. It's an absolute and total F#CK YOU/WE DONT GIVE A RATS DICK HOW THIS MOVE WOULD AFFECT YOU. You are supporting a move that would damage, mar, harm, and wound our school on every level; athletically, academically, our ability to distinguish, to differntiate ourselves as a school among many other schools in that area, an increase in the quality and quantity of applications, our staff, both academically and athletically, ALL HARMED.

I'm sure there are many business owners on here. What do you do when someone is trying to infringe on your turf, damaging your bottom line. You do EVERYTHING in your power to protect it.

I won't speak for other X fans, but I believe having to read these long, expansion threads is taxing, if not downright painful (WTF DUDENON were you thinking to start a thread like this the week of the sweet 16 with Xavier and Butler still alive for f#cksake?) as others casually talk about decisions that could have permanent negative ramifications for our school. F#CH THAT EGGREGIOUS, DIRESPECTFUL BULLSH*T. IT''S REALLY F#CKING DISSAPOINTING THAT SO FEW HAVE COME OUT AND BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF A FELLOW CONFERENCE MEMBER. If Duke happened to be located 10 miles from St Johns, I woud support St Johns block all the way through, because they are a conference mate, and it would devastate and decimate them across the board if Duke was allowed in.

You have no idea what a bunch of delusional, freak show, intellectual degenerates, back woods hill jacks, I live in my moms basement with my wife who happens to be my first cousin, and spend hours on end playing Warcraft, eating xl bags of skittles, bon bons and boxes of Krispy Kreme doughnuts, pizza rolls and Ben and Jerrys "Everything but the kitchen sink "flavor, while searching for a single quote in the haystack that is the Internet to back up/make a case for some asinine argument that in some way pits Dayton in a better light. They are delsuisional parasites that, and all the blame willl go on you guys, this board, which is fantastic, will be no more. Try and build one on the Dark Net. They will find you.

[TBC Alum]

[DeltaV]

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The 10 team BE will land a good TV deal when the time comes.

Or they will not. Who knows?

Why wouldn't they? You can play the "who knows" card but it is pretty obvious the BE will negotiate a good TV deal like they have for decades. Adding crap schools does not a better TV product make.

The B12 didn't expand because it made no financial sense to add just to add because they could only add crap. The BE currently only has crap teams to choose from. No one that matters will be on board adding just to add.

[Bill Marsh]

The 10 team BE will land a good TV deal when the time comes.

Or they will not. Who knows?

Why wouldn't they? You can play the "who knows" card but it is pretty obvious the BE will negotiate a good TV deal like they have for decades. Adding crap schools does not a better TV product make.

The B12 didn't expand because it made no financial sense to add just to add because they could only add crap. The BE currently only has crap teams to choose from. No one that matters will be on board adding just to add.

What in the world are you talking about? I have no interest in adding crap teams.

It's obvious to you that the BE will negotiate a good TV deal. So? Back to reality. In the real world, ratings matter. Denying a problem doesn't solve. It.