Non-Big East Conference Realignment Thread v. 2017

[hoopstar]

lol, such an emotional and unfounded answer. Its about Money and success. Creighton was just ok when they got in using your crtiteria. There are too many underperforming programs both on the court and at the box office in a conference this small. If you are using sweet sixteens...Final Fours as a baseline, and consider the past 10 years, we should kick out , St Johns/Georgetown/Seton Hall and bring Dayton and VCU and Wichita State in. All better programs than the 3 I mentioned, All better attendance and all 3 with far better coaching. Whats great is read the X board members post on Dayton....its all you need to know to show how great the rivalry was would be. How about Wichita State and Creighton!! VCU and Georgetown.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

I wish Dayton had the history and success of Butler or Xavier. They would be perfect for the Big East. But, they don't. End of story.

Come back in 20 years after multiple Sweet 16's, a couple of Final Fours and consistently being ranked year after year. Not ranked in the computer Top 100, I mean ranked, by people, in the Top 25. That's what gains attention from fans/media, not computer rankings.

Congratulations to Butler, Xavier, and Creighton on their many successes. Unfortunately, they are not relevant to possible future Big East expansion.

This is:

If Fox Sports wants a 12-team Big East, it can offer the Big East more annual revenue per school for a 12-team conference than for a 10-team conference.

If Fox Sports is willing to pay more money per year per school for a 12-team conference compared to a 10-team conference, the Big East will likely expand.

If Fox Sports is NOT willing to pay more money per year per school for a 12-team conference compared to a 10-team conference, the Big East will likely NOT expand.

While the choice of whether or not to expand (and if so, which schools to invite) is ultimately the prerogative of the ten presidents of the Big East schools, I believe that their decisions will be strongly influenced by the preliminary offers that Fox Sports will privately convey to the Big East schools.

[Hall2012]

I remembered the series but not much about the details but the game you're referring was a 7 pm game on December 22nd. Less than ideal time & day for a road trip to Newark even for people in the region so yes, we're flawed.

I was going by attendance figures more than memory. It was the best attended OOC game (however the next biggest home opponent that year was Cornell), but got crushed by every Big East game except USF.

As for date and time...are you considering a Wednesday night at 7pm much better?

December 22nd? Lots of folks already shoved off for Christmas with the family or shopping for their loved ones.

Seton Hall's December 23rd game this year sold out. I don't expect people to be flying in from Dayton on the 22nd, but they wouldn't do that for a random Wednesday night either. That huge NYC area alumni base Dayton apparently has though? I'm not buying the excuse for them.

[Hall2012]

lol, such an emotional and unfounded answer. Its about Money and success. Creighton was just ok when they got in using your crtiteria. There are too many underperforming programs both on the court and at the box office in a conference this small. If you are using sweet sixteens...Final Fours as a baseline, and consider the past 10 years, we should kick out , St Johns/Georgetown/Seton Hall and bring Dayton and VCU and Wichita State in. All better programs than the 3 I mentioned, All better attendance and all 3 with far better coaching. Whats great is read the X board members post on Dayton....its all you need to know to show how great the rivalry was would be. How about Wichita State and Creighton!! VCU and Georgetown.

Wait, they're better programs because they each went on 1 little hot streak in March a few years ago? Sorry, but that's quite a ridiculous claim.

[Xudash]

Someone(s) seemed to hit a nerve with X fans

Ha!

Your Interpretive skills are lacking rather badly. As I just noted, the last time Xavier played Dayton it resulted in total humiliation for UD. Xavier's record against UD in the A10 was solid. And we all know the embarrassment that UD holds, having not won in Cincinnati against X since Jimmy Carter was in office. That is just sick.

You otherwise have some UD fans offering up how great UD fans travel. Non-X Big East fans have accurately called that into question. The fact of the matter is that UD fan travel within the Big East would not offer a material benefit to the Big East.

This isn't about hitting a nerve. Xavier is in the Big East for a number of reasons. UD is not in the Big East for a number of reasons. I submit that it's more about UD fans having frayed nerves, having been left behind. This is about a program's fans spending too much time and jumping up and down here, yapping "look at us, look at us."

It's already been noted here: were the Big East leadership focused on adding a mid-major basketball program to the conference, UD's overall metrics would land it on the consideration list. But, also as noted, UD suffers from its proximity to Xavier, and from being located in Dayton, specifically.

It appears to be worse for UD - and others- than that. The Big East's braintrust appears to truly have zero interest in expansion at this time and for the foreseeable future, and that disposition has been bolstered by the Big East's performance to-date. Besides, even if they begin to look at it, they'll look "up" firstly; they aren't going to risk dilution by adding schools/programs lacking in national stature.

Closed for expansion now; not looking at all. Probably would be looking in a different direction if and when we pursue it. Sorry about that nasty issue you have with X already being on board the good ship.

Now that's got to be unnerving.

[Hoopfan]

Someone(s) seemed to hit a nerve with X fans

Ha!

Your Interpretive skills are lacking rather badly. As I just noted, the last time Xavier played Dayton it resulted in total humiliation for UD. Xavier's record against UD in the A10 was solid. And we all know the embarrassment that UD holds, having not won in Cincinnati against X since Jimmy Carter was in office. That is just sick.

You otherwise have some UD fans offering up how great UD fans travel. Non-X Big East fans have accurately called that into question. The fact of the matter is that UD fan travel within the Big East would not offer a material benefit to the Big East.

This isn't about hitting a nerve. Xavier is in the Big East for a number of reasons. UD is not in the Big East for a number of reasons. I submit that it's more about UD fans having frayed nerves, having been left behind. This is about a program's fans spending too much time and jumping up and down here, yapping "look at us, look at us."

It's already been noted here: were the Big East leadership focused on adding a mid-major basketball program to the conference, UD's overall metrics would land it on the consideration list. But, also as noted, UD suffers from its proximity to Xavier, and from being located in Dayton, specifically.

It appears to be worse for UD - and others- than that. The Big East's braintrust appears to truly have zero interest in expansion at this time and for the foreseeable future, and that disposition has been bolstered by the Big East's performance to-date. Besides, even if they begin to look at it, they'll look "up" firstly; they aren't going to risk dilution by adding schools/programs lacking in national stature.

Closed for expansion now; not looking at all. Probably would be looking in a different direction if and when we pursue it. Sorry about that nasty issue you have with X already being on board the good ship.

Now that's got to be unnerving.

- I've never commented on Daytons traveling fan base. I have no idea how many ud fans show up at away games.
- I could care less about people on this board yelling,look at us, look at us. Nobody on this board is a decision maker.
- Skin the same category going by success and other metrics year over year the last 5-15 years (anything more is irrelevant as recruits don't care about before they were born. That's just a millennial trait)
- And yes it hit a nerve whether you can see that or not. Anything posted on here about UD is going to get a rise out of X fans.

[Xudash]

Someone(s) seemed to hit a nerve with X fans

Ha!

Your Interpretive skills are lacking rather badly. As I just noted, the last time Xavier played Dayton it resulted in total humiliation for UD. Xavier's record against UD in the A10 was solid. And we all know the embarrassment that UD holds, having not won in Cincinnati against X since Jimmy Carter was in office. That is just sick.

You otherwise have some UD fans offering up how great UD fans travel. Non-X Big East fans have accurately called that into question. The fact of the matter is that UD fan travel within the Big East would not offer a material benefit to the Big East.

This isn't about hitting a nerve. Xavier is in the Big East for a number of reasons. UD is not in the Big East for a number of reasons. I submit that it's more about UD fans having frayed nerves, having been left behind. This is about a program's fans spending too much time and jumping up and down here, yapping "look at us, look at us."

It's already been noted here: were the Big East leadership focused on adding a mid-major basketball program to the conference, UD's overall metrics would land it on the consideration list. But, also as noted, UD suffers from its proximity to Xavier, and from being located in Dayton, specifically.

It appears to be worse for UD - and others- than that. The Big East's braintrust appears to truly have zero interest in expansion at this time and for the foreseeable future, and that disposition has been bolstered by the Big East's performance to-date. Besides, even if they begin to look at it, they'll look "up" firstly; they aren't going to risk dilution by adding schools/programs lacking in national stature.

Closed for expansion now; not looking at all. Probably would be looking in a different direction if and when we pursue it. Sorry about that nasty issue you have with X already being on board the good ship.

Now that's got to be unnerving.

- I've never commented on Daytons traveling fan base. I have no idea how many ud fans show up at away games.
- I could care less about people on this board yelling,look at us, look at us. Nobody on this board is a decision maker.
- Skin the same category going by success and other metrics year over year the last 5-15 years (anything more is irrelevant as recruits don't care about before they were born. That's just a millennial trait)
- And yes it hit a nerve whether you can see that or not. Anything posted on here about UD is going to get a rise out of X fans.

So you've "never commented" on travel attendance and you "could care less" about some UD fans acting like yapping Chihuahuas on this board. Congratulations. Otherwise, brilliant observation about no one on this board being a decision maker, and your third little bullet is virtually incomprehensible. If you want to act like a no-it-all, at least be cogent while taking your shots at it.

The only nerve that seems to have been hit with all this belongs to you, since you're so focused on that notion.

Some X fans actually support the idea of cranking up the Dayton rivalry again. I suspect many don't. Some probably wouldn't mind UD in the BE for that reason. My guess - I don't pretend to be as all-knowing as you think you are - is that most X fans are happy that we've moved on from the UD rivalry, as it seemed to have become rather toxic in its recent years. The treatment of Chris Mack's wife at UD being a prime example of that, regardless of any attempts by UD to make up for that afterwards.

Certain other Big East programs here do not want programs that are in close proximity to them to be considered for inclusion in the Big East. That is not an illogical position to take, and most reasonable people are going to agree with that.

With that noted, at the risk of you remaining too dense to understand a simple point, there isn't a high degree of concern about expansion, because there is absolutely no - ZERO - indication that the Big East leadership cares about it, and should the BE care about it at some point, it probably is going to do so by setting its sites on bigger game anyway.

[kayako]

https://tmgcollegesports.com/2017/03/01 ... ade-hoops/

Not sure if I like this for our league.

[FenwayFriar]

https://tmgcollegesports.com/2017/03/01/american-conference-looking-to-upgrade-hoops/

Not sure if I like this for our league.

I actually wouldn't mind this because I know that if VCU, Wichita or Dayton was ever invited to the BE they would leave the AAC in a heartbeat. It would be a good move for the AAAAAAC.

[kayako]

https://tmgcollegesports.com/2017/03/01/american-conference-looking-to-upgrade-hoops/

Not sure if I like this for our league.

I actually wouldn't mind this because I know that if VCU, Wichita or Dayton was ever invited to the BE they would leave the AAC in a heartbeat. It would be a good move for the AAAAAAC.

Hard to tell with the uncertainty of future TV revenue. It'd have to be pretty lopsided for them to deal with exit fees and jump over to us, and good expansion candidates are our biggest weapon in preparation for the next negotiation with Fox, ESPN, etc. We're in a good place and most of the teams are trending up, but ideally the BE probably needs an extra team or two in not sure distant future.