gtmoBlue wrote:Excellent discussions on this topic. Bill Marsh points out some salient facts in his discussion on finances.
Including:Here's the thing. UConn loses a lot of money by leaving the AAC:
1. They lose all of the football playoff revenue that goes back to conferences for distribution to their members. About $1.4 million annually.
2. They lose their share of any bowl money that is shared within the conference.
3. They would have to pay a $10 million exit fee.
4. They would leave behind their share of any NCAA tournament money earned by the AAC in the previous 6 years. I'm sure that the BE would not give them a share of any tournament money earned while they were not a member of the conference. So, it would take years for them to wait for a full BE share to replace the tournament money that they had been getting from the AAC.
Bottom line is always dinars...Might not the Huskies be better off remaining in the American?
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:gtmoBlue wrote:Excellent discussions on this topic. Bill Marsh points out some salient facts in his discussion on finances.
Including:Here's the thing. UConn loses a lot of money by leaving the AAC:
1. They lose all of the football playoff revenue that goes back to conferences for distribution to their members. About $1.4 million annually.
2. They lose their share of any bowl money that is shared within the conference.
3. They would have to pay a $10 million exit fee.
4. They would leave behind their share of any NCAA tournament money earned by the AAC in the previous 6 years. I'm sure that the BE would not give them a share of any tournament money earned while they were not a member of the conference. So, it would take years for them to wait for a full BE share to replace the tournament money that they had been getting from the AAC.
Bottom line is always dinars...Might not the Huskies be better off remaining in the American?
But, at what point - and purely only regarding football - does playing schools like Tulane, East Carolina, SMU, Houston, Tulsa, UCF, USF and Memphis (again, only in football) become a deterrent for fan interest and support, especially if/when UConn cannot compete with those schools in football? When, and perhaps it is never, does the discussion lead to possibly cutting the cord on just the AAC, but football in general in order protect its overall athletic program? I highly doubt that UConn would favor finishing at the bottom of the AAC every year in football purely because they could potentially get some extra dough from the CFP.
Again, I am not advocating one side or the other here. From purely an ethical standpoint, does a university prioritize the needs and benefit of one program (football) at the expense of the rest of the varsity sports? Should an athletics program send its Olympics programs and student-athletes halfway across the country - namely in the Southeast and Southwest - in order to benefit football?
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
From purely an ethical standpoint, does a university prioritize the needs and benefit of one program (football) at the expense of the rest of the varsity sports?
The victories will give the Democrats at least a 19-to-17 majority when the Legislature convenes in January, with Democrats defeating two freshmen Republican Senators: Kevin Rennie of South Windsor and Paul Munns of Glastonbury.
Let us consider the power of second thoughts and hope some of those who are guardians of a public trust will join us. It requires us to recognize an uncomfortable truth. The University of Connecticut's attempts to succeed in FBS, formerly Division I-A, football have been an extended and expensive failure.
We all make mistakes, but not often on the scale that accompanies a university's grandiose grab for big time glory. We all know what it's like to make some changes, maybe even retrench. Examination and change are at the heart of the liberal education that enriches the lives of UConn students and benefits the rest of us.
The people who lead Connecticut's institutions have arrived at another reckoning on how to manage the state's finances for the next two years that begin with a new budget in July. There will probably be retrenchments in programs that matter in vulnerable people's lives. Our largest state institutions cannot be immune from what's ahead.
Treating UConn football as a sport rather than a religion would be an appropriate start.
Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
From purely an ethical standpoint, does a university prioritize the needs and benefit of one program (football) at the expense of the rest of the varsity sports?
Ethics has been replaced by political expediency.
UConn average home football attendance: 26,796 • UConn average home basketball attendance: 8,446
UConn’s football attendance is more than three times its basketball attendance.
gtmoBlue wrote:Excellent discussions on this topic. Bill Marsh points out some salient facts in his discussion on finances.
Including:Here's the thing. UConn loses a lot of money by leaving the AAC:
1. They lose all of the football playoff revenue that goes back to conferences for distribution to their members. About $1.4 million annually.
2. They lose their share of any bowl money that is shared within the conference.
3. They would have to pay a $10 million exit fee.
4. They would leave behind their share of any NCAA tournament money earned by the AAC in the previous 6 years. I'm sure that the BE would not give them a share of any tournament money earned while they were not a member of the conference. So, it would take years for them to wait for a full BE share to replace the tournament money that they had been getting from the AAC.
Bottom line is always dinars...Might not the Huskies be better off remaining in the American?
phphphonograph wrote:gtmoBlue wrote:Excellent discussions on this topic. Bill Marsh points out some salient facts in his discussion on finances.
Including:Here's the thing. UConn loses a lot of money by leaving the AAC:
1. They lose all of the football playoff revenue that goes back to conferences for distribution to their members. About $1.4 million annually.
2. They lose their share of any bowl money that is shared within the conference.
3. They would have to pay a $10 million exit fee.
4. They would leave behind their share of any NCAA tournament money earned by the AAC in the previous 6 years. I'm sure that the BE would not give them a share of any tournament money earned while they were not a member of the conference. So, it would take years for them to wait for a full BE share to replace the tournament money that they had been getting from the AAC.
Bottom line is always dinars...Might not the Huskies be better off remaining in the American?
Just was doing some math. UCONN loses about 1.5 million in FBS playoff revenue, they lose just under approx 20m in NCAA credits, they have to pay a portion of the 10m exit fee (usually negotiated or with noticed is lowered), they lose about 2 million from the American's tv deal. so they sum an approximate loss of 33.5 million.
Now to look at what they stand to gain, mostly conservative estimates. UCONN Football would sign a TV deal worth approx 1m annually. Can received the same portion of FBS playoff revenue as G5 if they are an independent or join a conference so about 1.5m. They would get at least 4m (if FOX deal stays the same per school, which is a guarantee if the BIG EAST expands up to 12 ~ I think UCONN BBALL could increase the value to 4.5 or so at least but thats just me). So as you can see they still have about 27m of expected revenue to find.
Memphis successfully negotiated a portion of their credits in exchange for games in football and basketball, I expect that UCONN could do the same and the whole 10m fee could either be an interest free loan from the BIG EAST or negotiated down in court or moved down with notice or through exchanges of games in MBB. I would expect about half of that to be recoverable. Based on current BIG EAST credits they could make that 13M up in just about 6 years with no football success to gain more $$$. With 5.5m in TV revenue each year (compared to 2m) and credits kicking in slowly they'd be able to make up 13M in about 7 years. Not a bad ROI to realign if needed. Obviously football success and bball success can speed up that timeline even further.
Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
From purely an ethical standpoint, does a university prioritize the needs and benefit of one program (football) at the expense of the rest of the varsity sports?
Ethics has been replaced by political expediency.
UConn average home football attendance: 26,796 • UConn average home basketball attendance: 8,446
UConn’s football attendance is more than three times its basketball attendance.
In Connecticut, State Legislators who publicly advocate UConn dropping big-time football are quickly voted out of office.
Democrats Appear to Win Majority in Connecticut State Senate – New York Times – November 6, 1996The victories will give the Democrats at least a 19-to-17 majority when the Legislature convenes in January, with Democrats defeating two freshmen Republican Senators: Kevin Rennie of South Windsor and Paul Munns of Glastonbury.
Twenty years later, Kevin Rennie is still campaigning (albeit from the cheap seats):
Kevin Rennie: UConn Football Is Out Of Its League - Kevin Rennie, Contact Reporter, Hartford Courant – January 5, 2017Let us consider the power of second thoughts and hope some of those who are guardians of a public trust will join us. It requires us to recognize an uncomfortable truth. The University of Connecticut's attempts to succeed in FBS, formerly Division I-A, football have been an extended and expensive failure.
We all make mistakes, but not often on the scale that accompanies a university's grandiose grab for big time glory. We all know what it's like to make some changes, maybe even retrench. Examination and change are at the heart of the liberal education that enriches the lives of UConn students and benefits the rest of us.
The people who lead Connecticut's institutions have arrived at another reckoning on how to manage the state's finances for the next two years that begin with a new budget in July. There will probably be retrenchments in programs that matter in vulnerable people's lives. Our largest state institutions cannot be immune from what's ahead.
Treating UConn football as a sport rather than a religion would be an appropriate start.
If more Connecticut voters agreed with Kevin Rennie, he would still be a State Senator.
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