2016-17 RPI Rankings

[Hall2012]

even using that site. just looking, it's got as conference records 88-92. So 2 more wins. OK, now 2 of Providence, Seton Hall, and Marquette get wins. Boom, up to 6.

And I'd say this- getting 7 this year is FAR more likely than getting 4. (no, the Rooskies haven't hacked my account). 7 isn't likely, but it wouldn't be shocking. If the final standings were
Nova 14-4
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Xavier 11-7
Marquette 10-8
Providence 9-9
Seton Hall 9-9
Georgetown 7-11
St John's 5-13
DePaul 2-16

that is very possible to get 7 I'd only say a 5% chance of happening, but still, it's a chance.

I agree, and that's also assuming that our "top 4" stay locked into the top 4 spots in the standings, something that's yet to happen in this league. Would anyone really be all that shocked if 1 or 2 of Marquette, Providence, and Seton Hall (or heck, even Georgetown) broke that group up? In fact, I'd bet on at least 1 doing so. It would do some damage to our seeds, but probably get us at least 6 teams in as all of those 4 have done enough in non-conference play to survive a lower half finish and make the tournament comfortably.

[stever20]

even using that site. just looking, it's got as conference records 88-92. So 2 more wins. OK, now 2 of Providence, Seton Hall, and Marquette get wins. Boom, up to 6.

And I'd say this- getting 7 this year is FAR more likely than getting 4. (no, the Rooskies haven't hacked my account). 7 isn't likely, but it wouldn't be shocking. If the final standings were
Nova 14-4
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Xavier 11-7
Marquette 10-8
Providence 9-9
Seton Hall 9-9
Georgetown 7-11
St John's 5-13
DePaul 2-16

that is very possible to get 7 I'd only say a 5% chance of happening, but still, it's a chance.

I agree, and that's also assuming that our "top 4" stay locked into the top 4 spots in the standings, something that's yet to happen in this league. Would anyone really be all that shocked if 1 or 2 of Marquette, Providence, and Seton Hall (or heck, even Georgetown) broke that group up? In fact, I'd bet on at least 1 doing so. It would do some damage to our seeds, but probably get us at least 6 teams in as all of those 4 have done enough in non-conference play to survive a lower half finish and make the tournament comfortably.

lower half maybe, but they have to finish 9-9. Maybe someone could get in at 8-10(thinking X with their #7 OOC SOS)- but that would be tempting fate. Very few losing conference teams make the tourney.

The thing that would hurt would be if Nova and Creighton are like a few years ago and going 16-2 and 14-4 vs the conference. Taking 4 wins away.

of course that could get mitigated if St John's and DePaul go like 3-15 and 1-17 again. Giving 3 wins back....

[Jet915]

Crazy that the first 8 teams in the Big East have RPI's <100 while Depaul and SJU are >200. Best case scenario is Depaul and SJU go 1-17.

[Hall2012]

even using that site. just looking, it's got as conference records 88-92. So 2 more wins. OK, now 2 of Providence, Seton Hall, and Marquette get wins. Boom, up to 6.

And I'd say this- getting 7 this year is FAR more likely than getting 4. (no, the Rooskies haven't hacked my account). 7 isn't likely, but it wouldn't be shocking. If the final standings were
Nova 14-4
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Xavier 11-7
Marquette 10-8
Providence 9-9
Seton Hall 9-9
Georgetown 7-11
St John's 5-13
DePaul 2-16

that is very possible to get 7 I'd only say a 5% chance of happening, but still, it's a chance.

I agree, and that's also assuming that our "top 4" stay locked into the top 4 spots in the standings, something that's yet to happen in this league. Would anyone really be all that shocked if 1 or 2 of Marquette, Providence, and Seton Hall (or heck, even Georgetown) broke that group up? In fact, I'd bet on at least 1 doing so. It would do some damage to our seeds, but probably get us at least 6 teams in as all of those 4 have done enough in non-conference play to survive a lower half finish and make the tournament comfortably.

lower half maybe, but they have to finish 9-9. Maybe someone could get in at 8-10(thinking X with their #7 OOC SOS)- but that would be tempting fate. Very few losing conference teams make the tourney.

The thing that would hurt would be if Nova and Creighton are like a few years ago and going 16-2 and 14-4 vs the conference. Taking 4 wins away.

of course that could get mitigated if St John's and DePaul go like 3-15 and 1-17 again. Giving 3 wins back....

Finishing 8-10 in conference play certainly wouldn't be a plus on their resume, but the committee's shown it's not an eliminator either, especially in a strong and deep conference. Look at the 2014-15 Big XII, who got 7 teams in the tournament, including 2 that went 8-10 in league play. I'm not saying those teams would still be locks at 8-10, but they could very well stay on the right side of the bubble.

[Edrick]

Now that inter-conference games are more or less done (the few remaining won't materially change things), the conference RPI rankings are:

Conference Rating
Big East 0.596
ACC 0.591
Big 12 0.585
Big Ten 0.577
SEC 0.573
Pac-12 0.545
Atlantic 10 0.537
American 0.523
Mountain West 0.507
CAA 0.507
MVC 0.505
WCC 0.503

The Big East will finish either 1st or 2nd in conference RPI in 2017, with 1st marginally more likely.

Also, its not a foregone conclusion that the Pac-12 will hold off the A-10. West coast basketball is just bad.

[stever20]

Not sure where you got that from but it's not right....

Big East .5953
ACC .5916
Big 12 .5841
Big Ten .5769
SEC .5734
Pac 12 .5457
A10 .5369
AAC .5229
MWC .5066
CAA .5060
MVC .5057
WCC .5024

as to your supposition that the remaining won't change things- that's wrong. Still have for instance the Big 12/SEC challenge.

RPI Forecast still has Big East #3(granted before yesterday) projected.

[bman]

Thanks to Nova, Creighton, X and Butler for carrying the OOC. Overall we can all agree that SJU, Gtown and DePaul took a few bad loses but in total I'm happy to be at the top.

[gmoser1210]

Not sure where you got that from but it's not right....

Big East .5953
ACC .5916
Big 12 .5841
Big Ten .5769
SEC .5734
Pac 12 .5457
A10 .5369
AAC .5229
MWC .5066
CAA .5060
MVC .5057
WCC .5024

as to your supposition that the remaining won't change things- that's wrong. Still have for instance the Big 12/SEC challenge.
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RPI Forecast still has Big East #3(granted before yesterday) projected.

Unless I'm missing something, Edrick had the same thing you posted, just rounded to three decimals instead of four. What's the problem?

[stever20]

Not sure where you got that from but it's not right....

Big East .5953
ACC .5916
Big 12 .5841
Big Ten .5769
SEC .5734
Pac 12 .5457
A10 .5369
AAC .5229
MWC .5066
CAA .5060
MVC .5057
WCC .5024

as to your supposition that the remaining won't change things- that's wrong. Still have for instance the Big 12/SEC challenge.
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RPI Forecast still has Big East #3(granted before yesterday) projected.

Unless I'm missing something, Edrick had the same thing you posted, just rounded to three decimals instead of four. What's the problem?

well just looking at the Big East and ACC it shows. If you are rounding to 3 decimals, it'd be .595 to .592. But he had it .596 to .591.

Also just the CAA shows his numbers were wrong- CAA is .5060 and he had listed as .507.

[Devil's Advocate]

Thanks to Nova, Creighton, X and Butler for carrying the OOC. Overall we can all agree that SJU, Gtown and DePaul took a few bad loses but in total I'm happy to be at the top.

I've got a little time on my hands tonight, so I'll disagree. Since this is the RPI thread, here are the Big East losses this season from worst to best. Please also keep in mind that the season is still early and RPI is still only kind of getting there as a useful metric.

RPI BEast Team Opponent
295 St. John's Delaware State
247 DePaul Illinois-Chicago
229 St. John's Long Island U.
121 Butler Indiana State
96 St. John's Old Dominion
92 St. John's Michigan State
88 St. John's Penn State
87 Providence Ohio State
80 Marquette Michigan
76 DePaul Rutgers
74 Xavier Colorado
49 Marquette Wisconsin
49 Georgetown Wisconsin
48 Georgetown Arkansas State
42 Seton Hall Stanford
37 DePaul Northwestern
33 Georgetown Oklahoma State
32 St. John's VCU
30 Marquette Pittsburgh
22 DePaul Temple
20 Georgetown Maryland
14 Providence Virginia
12 St. John's Minnesota
5 Seton Hall Florida
2 Xavier Baylor