2016-17 RPI Rankings

[DudeAnon]

I think the RPI is fine. What I hate is when the selection committee starts cherry picking "Top 25, Top 50" wins etc.

why though? Sure it stinks if you beat a lot of teams at 27 or 28 or 53 or 54- but if they apply it consistently, what's the problem?

Because it is a dumb way of analyzing the metric. Consider it like a school grade. If I end up with a C it doesn't matter what brought me to that grade, the end result is the grade. No teacher is going to go, "Oh you got a C but you aced the mid-term and didn't fail any quizes, so lets bump you up to a B"

[stever20]

I think the RPI is fine. What I hate is when the selection committee starts cherry picking "Top 25, Top 50" wins etc.

why though? Sure it stinks if you beat a lot of teams at 27 or 28 or 53 or 54- but if they apply it consistently, what's the problem?

Because it is a dumb way of analyzing the metric. Consider it like a school grade. If I end up with a C it doesn't matter what brought me to that grade, the end result is the grade. No teacher is going to go, "Oh you got a C but you aced the mid-term and didn't fail any quizes, so lets bump you up to a B"

Couple of things.
1- some teachers do that. I know.
2- a lot of times the RPI rating is extremely close. Like currently there's only a .0011 difference between 29-32. That's practically a tie. So #29 has a top 50 win, 31 and 32 have top 100 wins. 30 has no top 100 wins. I would have no issue at all in that situation with 31 and 32 being seeded ahead of 30.

[DudeAnon]

Because it is a dumb way of analyzing the metric. Consider it like a school grade. If I end up with a C it doesn't matter what brought me to that grade, the end result is the grade. No teacher is going to go, "Oh you got a C but you aced the mid-term and didn't fail any quizes, so lets bump you up to a B"

Couple of things.
1- some teachers do that. I know.
2- a lot of times the RPI rating is extremely close. Like currently there's only a .0011 difference between 29-32. That's practically a tie. So #29 has a top 50 win, 31 and 32 have top 100 wins. 30 has no top 100 wins. I would have no issue at all in that situation with 31 and 32 being seeded ahead of 30.

1. I have never in my life heard of a teacher doing that. Is that a Georgetown thing?
2. Why should 31 and 32 get in ahead of 30? You are giving undue importance to top 100 wins.

[stever20]

Because it is a dumb way of analyzing the metric. Consider it like a school grade. If I end up with a C it doesn't matter what brought me to that grade, the end result is the grade. No teacher is going to go, "Oh you got a C but you aced the mid-term and didn't fail any quizes, so lets bump you up to a B"

Couple of things.
1- some teachers do that. I know.
2- a lot of times the RPI rating is extremely close. Like currently there's only a .0011 difference between 29-32. That's practically a tie. So #29 has a top 50 win, 31 and 32 have top 100 wins. 30 has no top 100 wins. I would have no issue at all in that situation with 31 and 32 being seeded ahead of 30.

1. I have never in my life heard of a teacher doing that. Is that a Georgetown thing?
2. Why should 31 and 32 get in ahead of 30? You are giving undue importance to top 100 wins.

30's RPI rating right now is .6344
31's RPI rating right now is .6339
32's RPI rating right now is .6337

that's not that much of a difference. Those teams are pretty much exactly the same rating- .634 if you round to only 3 spots. So you look deeper.

Also for the record-
30- Georgia St
31- Kentucky
32- UCF

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

UDPride RPI Rankings

The Big East is still # 1 in Conference RPI (.6319) and SOS Rank (.6362). Congratulations on an excellent start to the season.

RPI Ranking, Team, Record vs. Div. I Teams
1 Creighton 5-0
2 Xavier 5-0
7 Villanova 6-0
14 Butler 6-0
43 Providence 4-1
98 Georgetown 2-4
104 Seton Hall 4-1
113 DePaul 3-1
152 Marquette 3-2
165 St. John's 2-4

On Monday December 12th the Big East is # 1 in Conference RPI (.5995) and # 2 in SOS Rank (.5693).

RPI Ranking, Team, Record vs. Div. I Teams
2 Villanova 10-0
3 Creighton 10-0
4 Xavier 8-2
18 Butler 9-1
26 Providence 8-2
83 Seton Hall 7-2
94 Marquette 7-3
103 Georgetown 6-4
145 DePaul 5-3
239 St. John's 5-6

Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, and Butler have outstanding basketball teams this season, and all four of them are projected to be Top 4 seeds in the NCAA Tournament. Unfortunately for the Big East, RPI Forecast is predicting that they will beat up on the other six teams, knocking them out of the Tournament field with losing conference records.

RPI Forecast homepage – Teams ranked #1 to #351

RPI Forecast – Big East - Through games of Dec 10, 2016.

Big East Conference

Expected RPI: 3
Current RPI: 1
Current OOC Record: 75-22 (0.7732)
Expected OOC Record: 96-29 (0.7680)

Overall - Expected RPI Rank – Team – Projected Regular-season W-L – Projected Conference W-L

2 - 5.2 - Villanova - 27-4 (14-4)
14 - 16.7 - Creighton - 24-6 (12-6)
13 - 16.8 - Butler - 22-8 (11-7)
15 - 17.0 - Xavier - 21-10 (11-7)

52 - 59.5 - Providence - 19-12 (8-10)
57 - 63.6 - Seton Hall - 17-13 (8-10)
58 - 64.2 - Marquette - 18-12 (9-9)

83 - 92.0 - Georgetown - 15-16 (7-11)
144 - 149.6 - St. John's - 12-19 (5-13)
203 - 203.3 - DePaul - 11-19 (3-15)

According to RPI Forecast, Providence, Seton Hall and Marquette are going to need some upset wins over the top 4 teams in order to make the NCAA.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

Dayton is always too up and down.

The RPI Rankings for the past four seasons (including this one) suggest otherwise.

3-Year Average Final RPI Ranking - Team ( 2013-14 Final RPI Ranking • 2014-15 Final RPI Ranking • 2015-16 Final RPI Ranking )

5 - Villanova ( 8 • 6 • 2 )
29 - Dayton ( 33 • 29 • 25 )
30 - Xavier ( 56 • 28 • 8 )
34 - Providence ( 46 • 25 • 32 )

67 - Georgetown ( 75 • 24 • 103 )
79 - Butler ( 154 • 30 • 53 )
87 - Seton Hall ( 136 • 103 • 23 )
89 - Creighton ( 17 • 157 • 94 )

116 - Marquette ( 94 • 145 • 111 )
126 - St. John's ( 82 • 52 • 245 )
185 - DePaul ( 157 • 197 • 201 )

UDPride RPI Rankings – Wednesday morning December 14th:

2 - Villanova
3 - Creighton
4 - Xavier
17 - Butler
26 - Providence
28 - Dayton

50 - Seton Hall
92 - Marquette
96 - Georgetown

149 - DePaul
239 - St. John's

BTW, the Big East has 8 of 10 teams in the RPI Top 100 this morning. The Atlantic 10 has 6 of 14 teams in the Top 100.

[stever20]

what is going to hurt Dayton this year is how down the A10 is....

right now the conference is 77-55 overall. But in RPI parlance, they are only 62.2-55.8. So that's going to get added in the 50% part a lot in conference play and really hurt Dayton. a lot more than in prior years. The conference is down this year- last year they had 57 losses for the season OOC. They'll pass that this weekend for sure.

[Hall2012]

UDPride RPI Rankings

The Big East is still # 1 in Conference RPI (.6319) and SOS Rank (.6362). Congratulations on an excellent start to the season.

RPI Ranking, Team, Record vs. Div. I Teams
1 Creighton 5-0
2 Xavier 5-0
7 Villanova 6-0
14 Butler 6-0
43 Providence 4-1
98 Georgetown 2-4
104 Seton Hall 4-1
113 DePaul 3-1
152 Marquette 3-2
165 St. John's 2-4

On Monday December 12th the Big East is # 1 in Conference RPI (.5995) and # 2 in SOS Rank (.5693).

RPI Ranking, Team, Record vs. Div. I Teams
2 Villanova 10-0
3 Creighton 10-0
4 Xavier 8-2
18 Butler 9-1
26 Providence 8-2
83 Seton Hall 7-2
94 Marquette 7-3
103 Georgetown 6-4
145 DePaul 5-3
239 St. John's 5-6

Villanova, Creighton, Xavier, and Butler have outstanding basketball teams this season, and all four of them are projected to be Top 4 seeds in the NCAA Tournament. Unfortunately for the Big East, RPI Forecast is predicting that they will beat up on the other six teams, knocking them out of the Tournament field with losing conference records.

RPI Forecast homepage – Teams ranked #1 to #351

RPI Forecast – Big East - Through games of Dec 10, 2016.

Big East Conference

Expected RPI: 3
Current RPI: 1
Current OOC Record: 75-22 (0.7732)
Expected OOC Record: 96-29 (0.7680)

Overall - Expected RPI Rank – Team – Projected Regular-season W-L – Projected Conference W-L

2 - 5.2 - Villanova - 27-4 (14-4)
14 - 16.7 - Creighton - 24-6 (12-6)
13 - 16.8 - Butler - 22-8 (11-7)
15 - 17.0 - Xavier - 21-10 (11-7)

52 - 59.5 - Providence - 19-12 (8-10)
57 - 63.6 - Seton Hall - 17-13 (8-10)
58 - 64.2 - Marquette - 18-12 (9-9)

83 - 92.0 - Georgetown - 15-16 (7-11)
144 - 149.6 - St. John's - 12-19 (5-13)
203 - 203.3 - DePaul - 11-19 (3-15)

According to RPI Forecast, Providence, Seton Hall and Marquette are going to need some upset wins over the top 4 teams in order to make the NCAA.

Fortunately for the Big East, those are just the results of a highly flawed prediction mode and not actual results.

[stever20]

even using that site. just looking, it's got as conference records 88-92. So 2 more wins. OK, now 2 of Providence, Seton Hall, and Marquette get wins. Boom, up to 6.

And I'd say this- getting 7 this year is FAR more likely than getting 4. (no, the Rooskies haven't hacked my account). 7 isn't likely, but it wouldn't be shocking. If the final standings were
Nova 14-4
Creighton 12-6
Butler 11-7
Xavier 11-7
Marquette 10-8
Providence 9-9
Seton Hall 9-9
Georgetown 7-11
St John's 5-13
DePaul 2-16

that is very possible to get 7 I'd only say a 5% chance of happening, but still, it's a chance.

[scoscox]

I did also say they've been better under Archie, but that is very recent. Dayton through Brian Gregory and Oliver Purnell and others could never consistently put it together and still haven't beaten X in cincy since JC. I'm not prepared to forgive the program those many years of inconsistency and floundering for the recent few years of archie's success. Just the way I see it. X had solid success for about 25 years before breaking in, I'd like to see a larger sample size. By consistent success I mean making the tournament virtually every year. I think that's a good benchmark.