Bracketology '17

[TAMU Eagle]

Beginning of the season I would have said Georgetown and Marquette have a shot at a bid. Both are still question marks, but Georgetown is running out of opportunities in the non-con. Marquette needs to win 2/3 against Fresno State, Wisconsin, and Georgia to stay in the conversation.

[stever20]

Beginning of the season I would have said Georgetown and Marquette have a shot at a bid. Both are still question marks, but Georgetown is running out of opportunities in the non-con. Marquette needs to win 2/3 against Fresno State, Wisconsin, and Georgia to stay in the conversation.

not sure if they beat Georgia and Fresno(for sure- they lost to Prairie View) that would help them all that much. Would be 10-3 OOC, but without really any good wins. Half of their wins would be KP 300 or worse. 2 would be in the 51-75 range. Would have played 3 good teams, and lost to all of them. Not the recipe for success.

Georgetown would be 7-4 if they have no more bad OOC losses. Then it would come down to 2 games- @ Syracuse and UConn. If Georgetown can win both of those, they would be 9-4 and in really good shape. Georgetown at 9-4 would be a good bit ahead of Marquette at 10-3.

[BEX]

The A-10 is starting to look like a 1 bid league with their poor ooc performances to date. Few opportunities left for Top 50 wins.

[NJRedman]

New bracketology by Lunardi has Nova with the overall #1 seed. But because he has them playing in Buffalo, Stever will most likely think this is a bad thing.

Other BE teams: Xavier #2, Creighton #5, Butler #7, Seton Hall #9. No one else on the bubble.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

it's great for Nova.... Only negative at all would be that Syracuse is in the pod as well, and would have a lot of Orange fans there ostensibly rooting against Nova. And Notre Dame there as an opponent so presumably a lot of Irish fans there. But still not a negative for Nova in any fashion.

but I would really hate it if this were the bracket....
Creighton 5 seed- still seeing Wisconsin as a 4 seed in Milwaukee
Butler 7 seed- seeing Kansas as a 2 seed in Tulsa
Seton Hall 9 seed- seeing UNC as a 1 seed in Greenville

and even Xavier- 2 seed- seeing Florida St possibly as a 10 seed in Orlando

So this bracket would really suck if it were the final bracket.

The Irish's huge following is in FB not BBall. The casual fans don't follow their hoops program. They barely turned out for games at MSG against SJU.

[stever20]

ND has had a lot of success these last few years. They would travel well for the NCAA tourney.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

Bracketology – Joe Lunardi, ESPN – last updated November 23, 2016

The A-10 is starting to look like a 1 bid league with their poor ooc performances to date. Few opportunities left for Top 50 wins.

Rhode Island and VCU should make the tournament field. Dayton unexpectedly lost their entire starting frontcourt and are unlikely to make the 2017 NCAA. Dayton was a # 6 seed in Lunardi’s first Bracketology, and a # 8 seed in his November 23rd update. Here’s a video of the Flyers’ latest unfortunate injury:

Dayton's Josh Cunningham suffers scary leg injury on game-sealing dunk vs. Alabama - November 15, 2016

Dayton loses a key game and a key player in a matter of hours - Jeff Eisenberg - November 19, 2016

Dayton suffered two painful losses Saturday afternoon. Only hours after learning they’ll be without maybe their top big men for at least the next three months, the Flyers fell 61-57 at home against 17th-ranked Saint Mary’s after a furious last-ditch comeback fell just short.

A big reason Dayton struggled was a lack of interior scoring and an inability to prevent Saint Mary’s from securing second-chance opportunities on the offensive glass. It’s no surprise that the Flyers would be susceptible in those areas considering how shorthanded their frontcourt was.

Center Steve McElvene tragically died during the offseason, forward Kostas Antetokounmpo was ruled ineligible to play this season and starting forward Kendall Pollard has missed Dayton’s first three games with a knee injury and a thigh contusion. Then on Tuesday, Bradley transfer Josh Cunningham suffered a serious ankle injury when his left leg folded underneath him as landed after throwing down a game-clinching dunk.

Tests revealed Saturday that Cunningham’s ankle injury will require surgery to repair a torn ligament. He’s expected to miss about three months, which would late February is the soonest he could return and there’s a good chance he might opt to seek a medical redshirt this season instead.

6’-11”, 280 lb. Steve McElvene is the only freshman to hold a Dayton Flyers’ basketball record – most blocked shots in a season. He is sorely missed, both as a highly-respected and well-liked student, and as a basketball player with NBA potential.

6’-10”, 4-star forward Kostas Antetokounmpo was anticipated to be a key reserve player this season, and he is the tallest player on the Flyers’ roster.

Senior forward Kendall Pollard was a lock-down defender who averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds last season. Pollard had major knee surgery in April and has practiced very little since February. It is not presently known if or when Pollard will play basketball again.

RS sophomore forward Josh Cunningham was averaging 12.5 PPG and shooting 83% from the field before he was injured.

Dayton was a 4-point favorite over Nebraska last night, but lost 80-78. The unexpected loss of the Flyers’ four best frontcourt players is taking its toll.

[TAMU Eagle]

Beginning of the season I would have said Georgetown and Marquette have a shot at a bid. Both are still question marks, but Georgetown is running out of opportunities in the non-con. Marquette needs to win 2/3 against Fresno State, Wisconsin, and Georgia to stay in the conversation.

not sure if they beat Georgia and Fresno(for sure- they lost to Prairie View) that would help them all that much. Would be 10-3 OOC, but without really any good wins. Half of their wins would be KP 300 or worse. 2 would be in the 51-75 range. Would have played 3 good teams, and lost to all of them. Not the recipe for success.

Georgetown would be 7-4 if they have no more bad OOC losses. Then it would come down to 2 games- @ Syracuse and UConn. If Georgetown can win both of those, they would be 9-4 and in really good shape. Georgetown at 9-4 would be a good bit ahead of Marquette at 10-3.

Most of those sub 300 KP teams will not affect RPI like sub 300 teams: http://latenighthoops.com/marquettes-sc ... Djo2OYrLgk

Fresno State is also missing its best player. When he returns for the second semester, they will be a lot better and look like a better win. Same with Howard.

RPI Wizard doesn't actually agree with your statement. It might not be accurate at this point, but I gave Marquette a 10-3 OOC and Georgetown a 7-4 OCC. Pretty much any combination of equal conference wins (e.g both teams going 9-9) had Marquette with a significantly higher RPI. I think your underestimating how bad the Arkansas State loss is. Plus, I had written off any chance of Georgetown winning at Syracuse.

[stever20]

Just looking
Marquette's RPI forecast.... giving them 9 conference wins to go along with 9 OOC wins(only play 12- so 9-3)- 76.3
Georgetown going 9-4 OOC along with 9 conference wins- so 18-13- 63.0

Georgetown projected OOC SOS #102
Marquette projected OOC SOS #258

It's that much of a difference.

Oh, and the Arkansas St loss, really won't be a bad loss. They're projected at 118. Not a great loss obviously but not awful either.

[jaxalum]

Bracketology – Joe Lunardi, ESPN – last updated November 23, 2016

The A-10 is starting to look like a 1 bid league with their poor ooc performances to date. Few opportunities left for Top 50 wins.

Rhode Island and VCU should make the tournament field. Dayton unexpectedly lost their entire starting frontcourt and are unlikely to make the 2017 NCAA. Dayton was a # 6 seed in Lunardi’s first Bracketology, and a # 8 seed in his November 23rd update. Here’s a video of the Flyers’ latest unfortunate injury:

Dayton's Josh Cunningham suffers scary leg injury on game-sealing dunk vs. Alabama - November 15, 2016

Dayton loses a key game and a key player in a matter of hours - Jeff Eisenberg - November 19, 2016

Dayton suffered two painful losses Saturday afternoon. Only hours after learning they’ll be without maybe their top big men for at least the next three months, the Flyers fell 61-57 at home against 17th-ranked Saint Mary’s after a furious last-ditch comeback fell just short.

A big reason Dayton struggled was a lack of interior scoring and an inability to prevent Saint Mary’s from securing second-chance opportunities on the offensive glass. It’s no surprise that the Flyers would be susceptible in those areas considering how shorthanded their frontcourt was.

Center Steve McElvene tragically died during the offseason, forward Kostas Antetokounmpo was ruled ineligible to play this season and starting forward Kendall Pollard has missed Dayton’s first three games with a knee injury and a thigh contusion. Then on Tuesday, Bradley transfer Josh Cunningham suffered a serious ankle injury when his left leg folded underneath him as landed after throwing down a game-clinching dunk.

Tests revealed Saturday that Cunningham’s ankle injury will require surgery to repair a torn ligament. He’s expected to miss about three months, which would late February is the soonest he could return and there’s a good chance he might opt to seek a medical redshirt this season instead.

6’-11”, 280 lb. Steve McElvene is the only freshman to hold a Dayton Flyers’ basketball record – most blocked shots in a season. He is sorely missed, both as a highly-respected and well-liked student, and as a basketball player with NBA potential.

6’-10”, 4-star forward Kostas Antetokounmpo was anticipated to be a key reserve player this season, and he is the tallest player on the Flyers’ roster.

Senior forward Kendall Pollard was a lock-down defender who averaged 10 points and 5 rebounds last season. Pollard had major knee surgery in April and has practiced very little since February. It is not presently known if or when Pollard will play basketball again.

RS sophomore forward Josh Cunningham was averaging 12.5 PPG and shooting 83% from the field before he was injured.

Dayton was a 4-point favorite over Nebraska last night, but lost 80-78. The unexpected loss of the Flyers’ four best frontcourt players is taking its toll.

Field House, EVERYONE has injuries ( although a horrible tragedy to Mr. Mcelvene, just so young, condolences there). We (Xavier) have played without two of our starters, and lost a 4 star PF/C, who was already enrolled and practicing with the team 2 months before the season started. This is just one of the plethora of reasons people/college ball fans find Dayton fans on the side of insuffereable. A) There's ALWAYS an excuse when things go awry, and it could be anything...from the refs to they ran out of red sweater vests at the local Walmart. B) Why is this long winded post on a Big East board? How about one of your own boards, or possibly the A-10 Forum???? And don't bring that noise that somone mentioned the a-10, giving you carte blanche to post about a team none of our members are playing, or have scheduled.

[TAMU Eagle]

Just looking
Marquette's RPI forecast.... giving them 9 conference wins to go along with 9 OOC wins(only play 12- so 9-3)- 76.3
Georgetown going 9-4 OOC along with 9 conference wins- so 18-13- 63.0

Georgetown projected OOC SOS #102
Marquette projected OOC SOS #258

It's that much of a difference.

Oh, and the Arkansas St loss, really won't be a bad loss. They're projected at 118. Not a great loss obviously but not awful either.

I have no idea what you did but you are getting radically different numbers than I am. When I ran them, they both end up with RPIs that are very close but Marquette slightly ahead. However, Georgetown's SOS is about 30 points better. This is however assuming Georgetown can actually win @Syracuse and have a .500 Big East record. Jury is out on both teams, but the jury has a little more negative evidence on Georgetown than it does on Marquette.