_lh wrote:I thought the B12 would just stay at 10 because the options for expansion other than BYU were just meh and BYU had plenty of warts too.
I love the BE with 10 teams. UCONN is going to stick with the slow death in the AAC in hopes that something changes in 8 years. I don't think it will but time will tell. Even if the B12 does implode, what does UCONN get if they join a league with the B12 leftovers?
UCONN makes sense only in the ACC but the ACC doesn't want/need UCONN anytime soon.
I'm glad UC took the blow too. UC will also stick with the slow death and will see their recruiting in football and basketball continue to decline.
Xudash wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote:A couple of thoughts after yesterday's decision by Big 12 not to expand:
3.) Expansion in the Big East will not happen at least until new contract negotiations come up, and even by that point, we aren't expanding unless Saint Louis, Dayton, or any other Private/Catholic university proves that it belongs. 10 is a perfect number for basketball. Unless we get paid even more to add by Fox, we should stay that way until a viable and realistic opportunity presents itself.
I agree with you, except as follows:
Re #3 - - I'll place a slightly different spin on your #3. The first and foremost consideration for us moving forward IS US AND HOW WE'RE DOING TOGETHER. In other words, JOB ONE must be to make sure we track forward as strongly as we're tracking now, improving along the way (e.g. St. Johns and DePaul and what they mean with their large fan bases and with NY and Chicago locations). In other words, if we expand later by adding one of the existing basketball schools, that will mean that we lost traction as a group of ten. Each of us now earn about $4 million per year from Fox. If we wake-up one day to find that an A10 school is performing at a higher level than our lead schools, we're in trouble. We have everything going for each of us, as compared to an A10 school that makes $300k a year from its media agreement and otherwise sits in a conference that sends an average of 3 teams per year to the NCAA, with their NCAA unit money then divided 14 ways. Bottomline: if we add those schools moving forward, we will have screwed the pooch somewhere along the way. ADDITIONS MUST ALWAYS BE STRATEGIC IF THEY ARE TO OCCUR. Those schools are no where near fitting that bill.
DudeAnon wrote:_lh wrote:I thought the B12 would just stay at 10 because the options for expansion other than BYU were just meh and BYU had plenty of warts too.
I love the BE with 10 teams. UCONN is going to stick with the slow death in the AAC in hopes that something changes in 8 years. I don't think it will but time will tell. Even if the B12 does implode, what does UCONN get if they join a league with the B12 leftovers?
UCONN makes sense only in the ACC but the ACC doesn't want/need UCONN anytime soon.
I'm glad UC took the blow too. UC will also stick with the slow death and will see their recruiting in football and basketball continue to decline.
I actually think UC might pivot at this point and refocus on basketball. The football experiment failed, I don't think the university is willing to throw more money down the drain.
gtmoBlue wrote:Excellent Posts all: Xudash, GW11, WB77, DudeAnon,_ih, cu blujs, ArmyVet...Xudash wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote:A couple of thoughts after yesterday's decision by Big 12 not to expand:
3.) Expansion in the Big East will not happen at least until new contract negotiations come up, and even by that point, we aren't expanding unless Saint Louis, Dayton, or any other Private/Catholic university proves that it belongs. 10 is a perfect number for basketball. Unless we get paid even more to add by Fox, we should stay that way until a viable and realistic opportunity presents itself.
I agree with you, except as follows:
Re #3 - - I'll place a slightly different spin on your #3. The first and foremost consideration for us moving forward IS US AND HOW WE'RE DOING TOGETHER. In other words, JOB ONE must be to make sure we track forward as strongly as we're tracking now, improving along the way (e.g. St. Johns and DePaul and what they mean with their large fan bases and with NY and Chicago locations). In other words, if we expand later by adding one of the existing basketball schools, that will mean that we lost traction as a group of ten. Each of us now earn about $4 million per year from Fox. If we wake-up one day to find that an A10 school is performing at a higher level than our lead schools, we're in trouble. We have everything going for each of us, as compared to an A10 school that makes $300k a year from its media agreement and otherwise sits in a conference that sends an average of 3 teams per year to the NCAA, with their NCAA unit money then divided 14 ways. Bottomline: if we add those schools moving forward, we will have screwed the pooch somewhere along the way. ADDITIONS MUST ALWAYS BE STRATEGIC IF THEY ARE TO OCCUR. Those schools are no where near fitting that bill.
GW11: I take it you both mean no midmajors?
By viable and realistic...are you inferring no Gonzaga?
Xudash: Additions must always be strategic... What do you mean specifically?
If the GW11 premise is correct we should not have to dwell, nor consider another midmajor, even if they are performing well.
If as Xudash purports, if the BE continues to perform well, whether teams are consistent or rotating at the top of the conference, and should we see some progress in NY and Chicago. Both contend there is no need to expand. In an ideal world this should hold true. In the real world, things change, egos inflate and deflate. Change is the only constant. Unseen, unplanned, and random circumstances intersect and create new situations and scenarios. 5 years ago no one foresaw the splitting and renovation of the Big East, for example, yet here we are entering into the 4th year of a new configuration. Many say the BE is perfect...Nothing is perfect. Yes, your little "10 team round robin" is cute, but nothing is perfect.
The Big East will change moving forward...it is not a question of "if", but "when". I prefer snatching an ACC team or two when they come available.
gtmo
whiteandblue77 wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote: 2.) ... yesterday's decision was a huge win for the AAC
Agree with all GW11's comments save the above. It was more of a break, or dodging a bullet. It's not a good thing when ZERO of your conference schools were judged worthy of F5 status, especially since the B12 is by far the weakest, most unstable of the 5. Prolly didn't help the AAC's image that they pandered on bended knee for the past three months like homeless refugees desperate to get out of the American.
Xudash wrote:
What if the guerrillas want to take it from 65 teams to 4x12, jettisoning the likes of BC, Wake, Vandy, etc.?
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