Conference Realignment Thread v. 2016

[gtmoBlue]

USF is in Tampa, with UCF approx an hour away in Orlando. Tampa's 4 pro sports teams dominate the region. College sports are down the list, with neither of the two bringing a tv market. Both are primarily commuter schools, without a consistent following. Both Florida schools would be long shot plays IMO. Syracuse always draws well in Tampa - NCAA early round games - many alums in Central Florida.

[BEX]

I lived near UCF a couple years ago. The Season pass for BB floor seats was $250.00 and upper was $150.00. I just looked and it hasn't changed for '16. Facility was brand new. I used to get single games @ Subway for $7. but there were a lot of freebies floating around.

[_lh]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

[DudeAnon]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?

[Savannah Jay]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?

Yes, it was TCU and Baylor. Both 11-1 and ended up 5th and 6th in the committee rankings. Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State were 1-4 and made the playoff.

For the comment about UCF being a commuter school, that has changed significantly. 11,000+ beds on campus now. But Orlando is such a hodge podge of entertainment that all plays second fiddle to the Mouse.

But I do agree about the appearance of "just adding to add." Looking at all of the mentioned schools, do any of them actually make the conference better in any respect? I just don't see it.

[Bill Marsh]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?

Yes, it was TCU and Baylor. Both 11-1 and ended up 5th and 6th in the committee rankings. Alabama, Oregon, Florida State, Ohio State were 1-4 and made the playoff.

For the comment about UCF being a commuter school, that has changed significantly. 11,000+ beds on campus now. But Orlando is such a hodge podge of entertainment that all plays second fiddle to the Mouse.

But I do agree about the appearance of "just adding to add." Looking at all of the mentioned schools, do any of them actually make the conference better in any respect? I just don't see it.

Yes, they are "just adding to add", and in fact there are a variety of good reasons for them doing that. What they are not doing, by all accounts, is simply exploring the possibility. From everything I have read, there is no chance that they will take stock of the current prospects, change their mind, and stick at 10. It appears that the decision has been made and they will add. The only questions seem to be who and how many.

There are candidates who would make them better in some respect. BYU is a clear plus and UConn would make them better right off the bat in men's and women's basketball with the potential to eventually compete in football as well. Both have obvious drawbacks, but the B12 could do worse than simply adding those two.

[_lh]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?

That's why I said "most likely".

[Gopher+RamFan]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?

That's why I said "most likely".

I think his point was that, in the only examples we have of that conferences 1 loss teams, they were not invited. I don't think they're likely to make the playoffs at all when the other conferences have championship games to solidify their spots. This is the very reason the big 12 is expanding, as well as more revenue with a championship game.

[HoosierPal]

I just don't think there are two teams the current 10 can agree on. BYU might have or had the best chance at getting enough yes votes but who is number 12 then? The AAC schools all have plenty of warts. None make a huge impact. You are just adding to add. The AAC schools will always say yes if asked so why not stay at 10, if ESPN and Fox don't want to pay to expand. A one loss B12 team will most likely make the playoffs every year and 10 is perfect for other sports, especially basketball.

There are only 2 votes that really count, Texas and Oklahoma. Reports I read said Texas favors Houston and OK favors Cincy. Will those two agree to support their rival's pick? There are still reports that any new Big 12 configuration won't last very long.

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Weren't both TCU and Oklahoma (Baylor?) left out in 2 years ago despite 1 loss?[/quote]

That's why I said "most likely".[/quote]

I think his point was that, in the only examples we have of that conferences 1 loss teams, they were not invited. I don't think they're likely to make the playoffs at all when the other conferences have championship games to solidify their spots. This is the very reason the big 12 is expanding, as well as more revenue with a championship game.[/quote]

Too small of a sample size to really tell either way. If it was Texas or Oklahoma with TCU's resume that year, they go over OSU.