Conference Realignment Thread v. 2016

[novahoops11]

51 – DePaul ($ 42,900,000)
54 – Villanova ($ 40,400,000)

[DudeAnon]

11 – Connecticut ($ 137,900,000)
24 – Dayton ($ 80,600,000)
26 – Xavier ($ 78,100,000)
35 – Marquette ($ 59,600,000)
37 – St. John’s ($ 55,000,000)
51 – DePaul ($ 42,900,000)
52 – Georgetown($ 42,200,000)
54 – Villanova ($ 40,400,000)
73 – Providence ($ 29,700,000)
78 – Creighton ($ 28,100,000)
79 – Seton Hall ($ 27,700,000)
93 – Butler ($ 20,200,000)
96 – Saint Louis ($ 18,600,000)

The idea that Dayton is more valuable than teams located in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Milwaukee and Cincinnati is hilarious.

[Barley]

The idea that Dayton is more valuable than teams located in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Milwaukee and Cincinnati is hilarious.

It's unlikely that anyone outside of Dayton believes these numbers have any value at all. Why Flyers fans come here to shove garbage like this down our throats all the time is beyond me.

[Irishdawg]

[billyjack]

"Napoleon" is spelled wrong...

[Xudash]

The idea that Dayton is more valuable than teams located in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Milwaukee and Cincinnati is hilarious.

It's unlikely that anyone outside of Dayton believes these numbers have any value at all. Why Flyers fans come here to shove garbage like this down our throats all the time is beyond me.

You need to seriously consider something for a moment: imagine what it would be like here if they had been included in this conference? That wasn't and isn't an issue, as UD didn't come close to warranting consideration for inclusion in the Big East, but imagine what the delusion meter would be reading right about now. This particular UD poster has all the markings of a guy that used to go by the handle of Muddy Waters. A lot of links and quotes, etc., in his posts. He hates Xavier, and he's operating on low, flickering wattage.

As for those numbers, they were apparently thrown together by a finance professor from Indiana University-Purdue Columbus. So, Xavier goes from a S16 year led by Stainbrook and Dee Davis to being ranked in the Top 10 for much of last season and in excess of 100% capacity in the Cintas Center and our "valuation" drops 9%:

26 Xavier BE 78.1 85.8 -9.0%

I guess not getting past Wisconsin was an approx. $8 million problem for us. Damn not getting out of the first weekend.

Beyond all that, who in their right mind would cook up a valuation model that would leave Nova on the same block as DePaul! Apologies to our DePaul colleagues, but that's just nuts.

[NJRedman]

I wouldn't call the Big East AGM "secretive". It was a private meeting.

Fair point. "unpublicized" would have been a better word choice on my part.

All their members were there and were under no obligation to discuss League Business with anyone other than among themselves. If you had a meeting and were developing strategy for your business, why would you want to share it with the world when you didn't have to?

I wouldn’t. The Presidents and Athletic Directors of the Big East (and Ivy League) have the luxury of complete autonomy in deciding among themselves what information they want (and do not want) in the public domain. It is an enviable luxury which will not be given away without all due consideration.

The idea that a FOI request would stop us from adding UConn is absurd. So the press can get our bylaws, and our meeting minutes. Who cares?

The Presidents and Athletic Directors of the Big East schools. By statute, UConn is required to disclose far more information than just its bylaws and meeting minutes. And the goalposts are getting moved every year, with more and more disclosure being required by the State of Connecticut legislature.

UConn Foundation Says 'Transparency' Bills Would Chill Donors – Harford Courant – February 26, 2016

Representatives of the University of Connecticut Foundation made an impassioned argument at a legislative hearing Thursday that any law forcing them to open their records to the public — even if donors' name are excluded — would impede their efforts to raise money.

Daniel Toscano, a member of the foundation board and a donor, said the legislation under consideration, which would make the foundation subject to the state Freedom of Information Act, "will most definitely have a chilling effect on the philanthropy that is essential to building and maintaining a top-notch flagship university."

"As someone who has given significantly to UConn for more than a decade, I can attest to the fact that treating the foundation like a state agency will deter people like me from giving. Even if that is not your intention, I can assure you that it will be perceived very negatively by the very people you want and need to support this great institution."

Bill Would Require UConn Foundation to Reveal Donor Names – Connecticut Journal-Inquirer - April 23, 2016

A bill that would require more public disclosure from the University of Connecticut Foundation awaits action by the House after clearing the Senate earlier this week. The Senate approved the bill 27-8, but not before amending the proposal to remove the Connecticut State College and University system from having to comply.

If approved, the bill would require the UConn Foundation, the school’s nonprofit fundraising arm, to undergo a second audit and release the final report, and to disclose the name of everyone who donates beginning July 1, 2017.

No one can say with any certainty what additional information UConn will be required to publicly disclose in the future.

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UConn is worth 100 times more to the Big East than Dayton or any other candidate.

Ryan Brewer disagrees.

Interesting Wall Street Journal article on the value of college basketball teams ... How Much Is Your College Basketball Team Worth?

Brewer studied 175 of Division I’s 351 teams, accounting for those in major conferences and others that have made the tournament in recent years. Brewer analyzed each program’s revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections to calculate what a college team would be worth on the open market, if it could be bought and sold like a professional franchise.


11 – Connecticut ($ 137,900,000)
24 – Dayton ($ 80,600,000)
26 – Xavier ($ 78,100,000)
35 – Marquette ($ 59,600,000)
37 – St. John’s ($ 55,000,000)
51 – DePaul ($ 42,900,000)
52 – Georgetown($ 42,200,000)
54 – Villanova ($ 40,400,000)
73 – Providence ($ 29,700,000)
78 – Creighton ($ 28,100,000)
79 – Seton Hall ($ 27,700,000)
93 – Butler ($ 20,200,000)
96 – Saint Louis ($ 18,600,000)

To the Big East UConn is 100 times more valuable than Dayton.

[Bluejay]

The idea that a FOI request would stop us from adding UConn is absurd. So the press can get our bylaws, and our meeting minutes. Who cares? Meeting minutes can be as vague as the conference wants them. For instance, on expansion you could write something like “The league has considered expansion and has determined at this time expansion is not appropriate, the league will consider expansion again at a later date.” That will tell you absolutely nothing.

I agree that the FOI matter would not stop us from adding UConn.

Now, having said that, I think you completely underestimate what FOI requests can pursue. I do not know what the state of Connecticut allows (and do not want to read the relevant legislation right now), but I have seen FOI requests that ask for, and subsequently receive, emails, etc. Imagine what could be disclosed through emails, especially if the people typing those emails thought there was no way they would ever be available for public inspection! I think the DNC might suggest that email exposure could become awful embarrassing rather quickly.

[BEX]

Gosh. Didn't see Notre Dame on the list. Guess we'd have to vet them. The people in St Louis built a brand new spanking new arena for $81 million.

[UD Flyer Fanatic]

The idea that Dayton is more valuable than teams located in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., Milwaukee and Cincinnati is hilarious.

It's unlikely that anyone outside of Dayton believes these numbers have any value at all. Why Flyers fans come here to shove garbage like this down our throats all the time is beyond me.

Not understanding the UD hate. Not even sure Fieldhouse Flyer (if that's whom you meant) is a UD fan judging from his past posts which seem very fair & supportive of the BE. UD is one of the most valuable college BB programs (and frankly more valuable than many BE programs) because the school owns their arena outright providing them a great profit margin, and they have a following who loves the team, and who put their money where their mouth is. We travel anywhere anytime to support our players.

So in keeping this short, we don't think of ourselves as a UConn or ND. But if your honest with yourselves and were looking to own a college "franchise" investing your own cash, you could choose a far worse investment than UD.