Bracketology

[stever20]

Stever's right about this one. Wow. I actually said that.

But yeah, Oklahoma is an absolute match-up nightmare for Butler. We really struggle against teams with big, physical guards.

It didn't hurt that bad did it???

he updated actually now this morning:
Butler 9 MW vs Wichita, then Kansas- Des Moines
Xavier 2 MW vs Green Bay, then Notre Dame/Oregon St- St Louis
PC 8 S vs Cincy, then Virginia- Raleigh
Seton Hall 7 S vs USC, then Oklahoma- Oklahoma City
Nova 1 E vs HC/Hampton, then Texas Tech/St Joe's- Brooklyn

Butler passes USC so they're now a 9 instead of a 10, and PC got passed by Colorado- so they're now a 8 instead of a 7. Butler may want to root for St Bonnie's to win a game or two here and pass them up for the 9 seed...

[FriarJ]

So, Colorado gets smoked by a team PC beat and PC beats Butler handily yet Colorado jumps PC? On what plane of existence does this make sense?

[Westbrook#36]

Stever's right about this one. Wow. I actually said that.

But yeah, Oklahoma is an absolute match-up nightmare for Butler. We really struggle against teams with big, physical guards.

He's right and wrong, so he's batting .500. Some paths are much less difficult than others, especially with upsets and your a 6 seed and happen to run into say, Middle Tenn. St., UNC Wilm., Hawaii, or Iona to get to the S16. On the other hand, these are just projected brackets so far. The real brackets will almost positively be completely different. By sheer circumstance some of the 1st round match-ups they project maybe correct, but after that it's a crap-shoot. So speculating on paths to the S16 or further at this point is pretty much a waste of time. But fortunately for stever he seems to have an abundance of time to kill.

[stever20]

Stever's right about this one. Wow. I actually said that.

But yeah, Oklahoma is an absolute match-up nightmare for Butler. We really struggle against teams with big, physical guards.

He's right and wrong, so he's batting .500. Some paths are much less difficult than others, especially with upsets and your a 6 seed and happen to run into say, Middle Tenn. St., UNC Wilm., Hawaii, or Iona to get to the S16. On the other hand, these are just projected brackets so far. The real brackets will almost positively be completely different. By sheer circumstance some of the 1st round match-ups they project maybe correct, but after that it's a crap-shoot. So speculating on paths to the S16 or further at this point is pretty much a waste of time. But fortunately for stever he seems to have an abundance of time to kill.

Only thing with your point..... historically speaking if you are a 7-10 seed, you are going to see the higher seed almost every single time.... 16 seeds have never won in the tourney, and 15 seeds are 7-117 all-time in the First Round, with an average margin of -16.4 points.. And it looks like Butler, PC, and Seton Hall will all be in that 7-10 realm most likely- maybe Seton Hall gets a 6. So I don't see how your point really would apply to the Big East schools.

[Westbrook#36]

Only thing with your point..... historically speaking if you are a 7-10 seed, you are going to see the higher seed almost every single time.... 16 seeds have never won in the tourney, and 15 seeds are 7-117 all-time in the First Round, with an average margin of -16.4 points.. And it looks like Butler, PC, and Seton Hall will all be in that 7-10 realm most likely- maybe Seton Hall gets a 6. So I don't see how your point really would apply to the Big East schools.

Whooosh. Because, we don't know who they will be match-up with at this point. It's pretty useless to trying to project paths to the S16, when there's like 20+ possible teams that Seton Hall, Butler, and PC could possibly play. And that's not even including where they might play, that's also a major factor.

[stever20]

Only thing with your point..... historically speaking if you are a 7-10 seed, you are going to see the higher seed almost every single time.... 16 seeds have never won in the tourney, and 15 seeds are 7-117 all-time in the First Round, with an average margin of -16.4 points.. And it looks like Butler, PC, and Seton Hall will all be in that 7-10 realm most likely- maybe Seton Hall gets a 6. So I don't see how your point really would apply to the Big East schools.

Whooosh. Because, we don't know who they will be match-up with at this point. It's pretty useless to trying to project paths to the S16, when there's like 20+ possible teams that Seton Hall, Butler, and PC could possibly play. And that's not even including where they might play, that's also a major factor.

Actually there really aren't 20+ realistic teams. You can say a 16 could beat a 1 but it's not realistic at all....

Right now there's really about 6 teams that those 3 could play if they're 7-10 seeds, which 2 of them will be for sure....
Kansas in Des Moines guaranteed
Oklahoma in Oklahoma City guaranteed
Virginia in Raleigh guaranteed
Oregon in Spokane guaranteed
North Carolina in Raleigh guaranteed
Michigan St in St Louis most likely
maybe a Miami or West Virginia or Indiana gets up to a 2 seed.

and the sites- we know pretty much guaranteed Oklahoma will be at Oklahoma City. UVA and UNC will be playing in Raleigh. Oregon out in Spokane. The sites would not help our 7-10 seeds out at all whatsoever.

[billyjack]

I just want each of the 4 regions to have at least 1 Big East team, with Butler and PC in the same region, and VU, X, and Seton Hall alone in their own regions.

That way, we have a chance at having an all-Big East Final Four.

Also, I'd like Holy Cross to win their PIG, and to get the 1-vs-16 game vs Virginia, because their active 1-3-1 will cause problems for the Virginia Bricklayers Company.

[stever20]

I just want each of the 4 regions to have at least 1 Big East team, with Butler and PC in the same region, and VU, X, and Seton Hall alone in their own regions.

That way, we have a chance at having an all-Big East Final Four.

Also, I'd like Holy Cross to win their PIG, and to get the 1-vs-16 game vs Virginia, because their active 1-3-1 will cause problems for the Virginia Bricklayers Company.

kind of a tangent on this post- saw a poll of coaches who were asked who they wouldn't want to see in the tourney. X got a few votes for players and depth. Something that was brought up for another team- Syracuse- was that it's tough playing them because of the 2-3 zone. I would think that for X- their 1-3-1 is going to be brutal going up against it cold- very similar to Syracuse's 2-3 zone or back in the day Temple's old Matchup Zone defense that would give teams fits.

[Westbrook#36]

Actually there really aren't 20+ realistic teams. You can say a 16 could beat a 1 but it's not realistic at all....

Right now there's really about 6 teams that those 3 could play if they're 7-10 seeds, which 2 of them will be for sure....
Kansas in Des Moines guaranteed
Oklahoma in Oklahoma City guaranteed
Virginia in Raleigh guaranteed
Oregon in Spokane guaranteed
North Carolina in Raleigh guaranteed
Michigan St in St Louis most likely
maybe a Miami or West Virginia or Indiana gets up to a 2 seed.

and the sites- we know pretty much guaranteed Oklahoma will be at Oklahoma City. UVA and UNC will be playing in Raleigh. Oregon out in Spokane. The sites would not help our 7-10 seeds out at all whatsoever.

Man you live to argue stupid shit don't you? Well stever I'm not going to get drawn into an argument with you, but yes there are 20+ possible teams that PC, SH, and Butler could play in the first round. You yourself said they are anywhere between 7-10 seeds, correct? There are going to be 4 - 7 seeds, 4 - 8 seeds, 4 - 9 seeds. 4 - 10 seeds. Right there is 13 teams (minus BE teams), now you have to include possible under-seeded and over-seeded teams or teams that maybe slid up or down a line for logistics. That's 8 more teams which makes 21 possible teams to match-up with. I'm not even going to get into it with you about location(yes it does matter). Only you would at this point try to speculate on paths to advancement without actually seeing the path first.

[stever20]

Actually there really aren't 20+ realistic teams. You can say a 16 could beat a 1 but it's not realistic at all....

Right now there's really about 6 teams that those 3 could play if they're 7-10 seeds, which 2 of them will be for sure....
Kansas in Des Moines guaranteed
Oklahoma in Oklahoma City guaranteed
Virginia in Raleigh guaranteed
Oregon in Spokane guaranteed
North Carolina in Raleigh guaranteed
Michigan St in St Louis most likely
maybe a Miami or West Virginia or Indiana gets up to a 2 seed.

and the sites- we know pretty much guaranteed Oklahoma will be at Oklahoma City. UVA and UNC will be playing in Raleigh. Oregon out in Spokane. The sites would not help our 7-10 seeds out at all whatsoever.

Man you live to argue stupid shit don't you? Well stever I'm not going to get drawn into an argument with you, but yes there are 20+ possible teams that PC, SH, and Butler could play in the first round. You yourself said they are anywhere between 7-10 seeds, correct? There are going to be 4 - 7 seeds, 4 - 8 seeds, 4 - 9 seeds. 4 - 10 seeds. Right there is 13 teams (minus BE teams), now you have to include possible under-seeded and over-seeded teams or teams that maybe slid up or down a line for logistics. That's 8 more teams which makes 21 possible teams to match-up with. I'm not even going to get into it with you about location(yes it does matter). Only you would at this point try to speculate on paths to advancement without actually seeing the path first.

We were not talking about the 1st round. We were talking about the 2nd round. You yourself said in a post that some paths are much less difficult than others with upsets. That means you knew we were talking about the 2nd round.... For the 2nd round, there's really about only 9 teams that our teams could play possibly.

And sorry but there is nothing but bad for the sites for the 2nd round. If one of the teams gets Oklahoma, it's going to be in Oklahoma City. Guaranteed. If one of the teams gets UNC or UVA, it's in Raleigh. Guaranteed. Oregon will be in Spokane. Michigan St in St Louis...