Bracketology

[stever20]

Gumby was saying that if those 2 got the wins that would hurt UConn- that they would pass UConn. I'm bringing up that UConn beating those 2 would mitigate that situation.....

[GumbyDamnit!]

teams with the profile of St Mary's regularly get left out. RPI isn't the only thing the committee looks at.

That's right, they snub teams with the St. Mary's profile from mid-major conferences, teams like UCONN, for example.

Except UConn doesn't have St Mary's profile. UConn actually played 9 top 50 games. Their SOS is 52- or 96 spots ahead of St Mary's. Their 3 best OOC wins- Texas, Michigan, and Ohio St (btw, Gumby, those could serve them pretty well should Ohio St and Michigan get tourney wins).

Stop. Those OOC wins would be great had they not gotten swept by Temple and Cincy in conf and finished 6th in the 8th best conference. You also dismiss that SMC beat Gonzaga twice during the regular season--that same Gonzage team that UConn lost to. Here's what is telling about UConn. They are 3-7 against the other top teams in the AAC. 3-7. Not good, Stever. Not good.

Anyway to the point let's compare UConn and St. Mary's:

RPI
SMC = 38
UConn = 56

Record vs. Top 100
SMC = 6-3
UConn = 6-10

Conference Standings
SMC = 1st
UConn = 6th

You have even admitted that the Committee is partial to KenPom. SMC = 34 in KP. So that certainly is no reason to keep them out.

Anything else?

[stever20]

and UConn is 31 in KP. Average RPI win is 170, or 33 spots better than St Mary's. If it's UConn vs St Mary's, teams with UConn's profile have gotten in way more than teams with St Mary's profiles.

Also what I said was that if Michigan or Ohio St get those big wins- they would then be compared with UConn, who beat both of them.

[GumbyDamnit!]

and UConn is 31 in KP. Average RPI win is 170, or 33 spots better than St Mary's. If it's UConn vs St Mary's, teams with UConn's profile have gotten in way more than teams with St Mary's profiles.

Also what I said was that if Michigan or Ohio St get those big wins- they would then be compared with UConn, who beat both of them.

Dude they have an RPI of 56, finished 6th in their pedestrian league (3-7 vs. the only good teams in that conference BTW) and are 6-10 vs. the RPI Top 100. In no way are they ahead of St. Mary's on the curve, nor should they be.

What's funny about your defense of UConn vs SMC is that is so contrary to everything that you claim to believe in. You keep saying that you hate when middling P5 programs get in on reputation alone at the expense of a Mid Major program who had a very good regular season, only to slip up in the conf tourney. SMC finished 1st on their conference. They are a mid major. Where is Stever the Protector of all small programs?

Simple question: would you rather see a Cinderella program make the dance or do you prefer to see a perennial power, who could not finish in the top half of its own league (RPI ranked 8th), get in?

[GoldenWarrior11]

The Atlantic-10 is on pace to get 4 teams in. If that holds true, it would mean that the A-10 has, for three consecutive seasons, received more bids than the American.

A-10>AAC

[stever20]

and UConn is 31 in KP. Average RPI win is 170, or 33 spots better than St Mary's. If it's UConn vs St Mary's, teams with UConn's profile have gotten in way more than teams with St Mary's profiles.

Also what I said was that if Michigan or Ohio St get those big wins- they would then be compared with UConn, who beat both of them.

Dude they have an RPI of 56, finished 6th in their pedestrian league (3-7 vs. the only good teams in that conference BTW) and are 6-10 vs. the RPI Top 100. In no way are they ahead of St. Mary's on the curve, nor should they be.

What's funny about your defense of UConn vs SMC is that is so contrary to everything that you claim to believe in. You keep saying that you hate when middling P5 programs get in on reputation alone at the expense of a Mid Major program who had a very good regular season, only to slip up in the conf tourney. SMC finished 1st on their conference. They are a mid major. Where is Stever the Protector of all small programs?

Simple question: would you rather see a Cinderella program make the dance or do you prefer to see a perennial power, who could not finish in the top half of its own league (RPI ranked 8th), get in?

St Mary's isn't a mid-major. The WCC was a low major conference this year. 14th best conference this year by RPI, just ahead of the Big West. #11 in Ken Pom.

No team with the profile of St Mary's(18 sub 200 wins) has EVER gotten into the tourney. EVER. The most ever before was UAB in 2006 with 14. Let that sink into you for a bit.

Also, UConn isn't a p5 program as you want to keep on saying.

[SJUBBALL]

St Mary's is definitely a mid major. Arguing that is a major stretch Stever

[kellernr]

and UConn is 31 in KP. Average RPI win is 170, or 33 spots better than St Mary's. If it's UConn vs St Mary's, teams with UConn's profile have gotten in way more than teams with St Mary's profiles.

Also what I said was that if Michigan or Ohio St get those big wins- they would then be compared with UConn, who beat both of them.

St Mary's beats UConn on every rating except for Kenpom which they are 3 spots behind UConn. I would take St Mary's over UConn. The aac is weak


UConn:
RPI - 60
Kenpom - 31
Massey - 38
KPI - 45

St. Mary's:
RPI - 35
Kenpom - 34
Massey - 33
KPI - 36

[stever20]

The Atlantic-10 is on pace to get 4 teams in. If that holds true, it would mean that the A-10 has, for three consecutive seasons, received more bids than the American.

A-10>AAC

lets see if the A10 gets 4. St Bonnie's is extremely dicey IMO with a KP in the 70's.

[Xavier4036]

St Mary's isn't a mid-major. The WCC was a low major conference this year.

My God, Stever.

St. Mary's is the DEFINITION of mid-major, not low-major.

By your logic, though, you must agree that Cincinnati and UConn are mid-major teams because they are in a mid-major conference.