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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:40 am

Barley wrote:
stever20 wrote:interesting story about Wichita St and Ken Pom's ratings:
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basket ... ble-kenpom

Doesn't it actually show how ridiculous KenPom must be to have a team with only one "quality" win and multiple "bad" losses ranked as a Top 10 team? There is literally not one justifiable reason how anyone could possibly consider them to be among the best teams in college basketball.

I don't disagree.... The thing with them and PC is going to be absolutely fascinating to watch.....
PC- 44 RPI, 76 SOS, 227 OOC SOS 44 OOC RPI 160 avg win, 55 avg loss, 55 KP 5-3 road/neutral vs RPI top 100
WS- 48 RPI, 106 SOS, 22 OOC SOS 81 OOC RPI 188 avg win, 61 avg loss, 11 KP 2-6 road/neutral vs RPI top 100

while Wichita had the better OOC SOS, clearly, everything else favors PC. And I mean everything else.

You do wonder if Wichita's profile is going to make folks rethink the advanced metric craze.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby Barley » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:53 am

Maybe I'm missing something but why does anyone care about Wichita State's strong OOC metrics? They lost basically all of those games. You need to beat more than one team who is even worthy of an at large bid if you want to make the NCAA.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:57 am

Barley wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but why does anyone care about Wichita State's strong OOC metrics? They lost basically all of those games. You need to beat more than one team who is even worthy of an at large bid if you want to make the NCAA.

I agree with you 100%. They had the #81 OOC RPI.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby JohnW22 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:08 pm

Only thing keeping Wichita State looking good is their KenPom ranking, we will see how much the selection committee really views advance metrics this year.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby milksteak » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:15 pm

Barley wrote:Maybe I'm missing something but why does anyone care about Wichita State's strong OOC metrics? They lost basically all of those games. You need to beat more than one team who is even worthy of an at large bid if you want to make the NCAA.


Been saying this for days. Media guys are acting like WSU is solidly in the field.

I'm not convinced at all.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:36 pm

Lunardi finally updated his bracket:
PC 8 S
SH 7 S
Xavier 2 MW
Nova 1 E-3rd #1 seed
Butler 10 W- 3rd team in with a bye

what is strange is Nova is behind UVA now, but he's got UVA travelling. I would have thought that UVA would take priority in that case....

Palm:
Providence 8 MW
Xavier 2 MW
Butler 9 W
Seton Hall 7 W
Nova 1 E

USA Today:
Butler 9 MW
Nova 1 E
Seton Hall 6 E
Xavier 2 S
Providence 8 S
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Re: Bracketology

Postby DudeAnon » Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:55 pm

stever20 wrote:Lunardi finally updated his bracket:
PC 8 S
SH 7 S
Xavier 2 MW
Nova 1 E-3rd #1 seed
Butler 10 W- 3rd team in with a bye

what is strange is Nova is behind UVA now, but he's got UVA travelling. I would have thought that UVA would take priority in that case....

Palm:
Providence 8 MW
Xavier 2 MW
Butler 9 W
Seton Hall 7 W
Nova 1 E

USA Today:
Butler 9 MW
Nova 1 E
Seton Hall 6 E
Xavier 2 S
Providence 8 S


Interesting setup. So I think we are rooting for Providence to beat Butler to avoid the 8/9 right? Butler would move down to a 10/11. Providence up to a 7.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:33 pm

DudeAnon wrote:
stever20 wrote:Lunardi finally updated his bracket:
PC 8 S
SH 7 S
Xavier 2 MW
Nova 1 E-3rd #1 seed
Butler 10 W- 3rd team in with a bye

what is strange is Nova is behind UVA now, but he's got UVA travelling. I would have thought that UVA would take priority in that case....

Palm:
Providence 8 MW
Xavier 2 MW
Butler 9 W
Seton Hall 7 W
Nova 1 E

USA Today:
Butler 9 MW
Nova 1 E
Seton Hall 6 E
Xavier 2 S
Providence 8 S


Interesting setup. So I think we are rooting for Providence to beat Butler to avoid the 8/9 right? Butler would move down to a 10/11. Providence up to a 7.

the only thing dicey there would be Butler could then be forced to head to Dayton. I mean take Lunardi. They're 3rd team in with a bye. Well UConn, Cincy, Pitt, Syr play each other in games. So if Butler loses 1st game, 2 of those teams would pass them. All it would take would be a St Bonnie's or Oregon St team to get an unexpected win or 2, and all of a sudden Butler is going to Dayton.
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Re: Bracketology

Postby JohnW22 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:40 pm

Xavier might be better off getting the two seed in the Midwest or the south than a one seed in the west. 2 seed in the Midwest goes from St. Louis to Chicago, two seed in the south is St. Louis to Louisville. The one seed in the west goes from Raleigh to Anaheim California. Wouldn't complain if they got a one seed though :D
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Re: Bracketology

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:47 pm

JohnW22 wrote:Xavier might be better off getting the two seed in the Midwest or the south than a one seed in the west. 2 seed in the Midwest goes from St. Louis to Chicago, two seed in the south is St. Louis to Louisville. The one seed in the west goes from Raleigh to Anaheim California. Wouldn't complain if they got a one seed though :D

That's not how it works. The pods aren't locked to regions. You could have a team going from Spokane to Philly possibly. or Denver to Philly. Or Des Moines to Philly. Or Brooklyn to Philly.
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