Villanova/Xavier & Marquette/Creighton

[BEX]

I've been a huge Sumner fan since seeing him @ Musketeer Madness in 2014. Wow. Then he got shut down with the knee problems to a point where he was unable to even run. This was only a year ago. Since then he has busted his butt in rehab, then suffered what looked like a season ending injury. Was great to see the big smile last nite. Kid is fearless in driving the lane and dishing assists as well as showing his backside to opponents. I would hate to be the one trying to set up a defense against him going forward.

[scoscox]

I don't know, you guys think Bridges outplayed him again?

[GumbyDamnit!]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Davis - Ochefu foul play in the first half? Just curious...

Ochefu has the ball along the baseline, Davis flops like he was hit with an elbow so Ochefu gets his 2nd foul. Upon review the refs see clearly that Davis wasn't even close to being touched, let alone elbowed. They don't give Ochefu the flagrant 1 but the call stands. Ochefu hits the bench and X comes down and scores off the "turnover."

I was under the belief that since they are reviewing the play, the intent is to "get it right." Putting Ochefu on the bench with his 2nd foul, which led to him sitting for most of the 2nd half when he picked up another 2, was a significant. I can understand with the speed of the game, a call like that can be missed. Happens all the time. But they took the time to review it. OK, maybe you don't have to guts to change the call to a "technical foul flop,' per the rule book, but give Nova the ball and take the foul off the books. No?

I will be the first to say that I think X wins either way, but it kind of sucks when they are trying to get a call right and that's the best they came up with considering how Davis manipulated the ref to get the call. I would also think that since the behavior was basically rewarded it is sending quite a message to players and coaches alike.

[stever20]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Davis - Ochefu foul play in the first half? Just curious...

Ochefu has the ball along the baseline, Davis flops like he was hit with an elbow so Ochefu gets his 2nd foul. Upon review the refs see clearly that Davis wasn't even close to being touched, let alone elbowed. They don't give Ochefu the flagrant 1 but the call stands. Ochefu hits the bench and X comes down and scores off the "turnover."

I was under the belief that since they are reviewing the play, the intent is to "get it right." Putting Ochefu on the bench with his 2nd foul, which led to him sitting for most of the 2nd half when he picked up another 2, was a significant. I can understand with the speed of the game, a call like that can be missed. Happens all the time. But they took the time to review it. OK, maybe you don't have to guts to change the call to a "technical foul flop,' per the rule book, but give Nova the ball and take the foul off the books. No?

I will be the first to say that I think X wins either way, but it kind of sucks when they are trying to get a call right and that's the best they came up with considering how Davis manipulated the ref to get the call. I would also think that since the behavior was basically rewarded it is sending quite a message to players and coaches alike.

Gumby-
I didn't see the game but an interesting thing is what happens in college football. Few years ago they put in the targeting rule. Where someone called for targeting- 15 yds and automatic ejection. But initially they made it where if it was reviewed by replay and deemed not to be targeting, the 15 yd penalty stayed. They then a year or two later changed it- where not only the ejection would be rescinded, but the 15 yd penalty would be as well.... I wonder if we may see the same thing like you mentioned- take the foul off the books, and either reset to NOVA's ball- OR if a shot had taken place, alternating possession rule.

[X Factor]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Davis - Ochefu foul play in the first half? Just curious...

Ochefu has the ball along the baseline, Davis flops like he was hit with an elbow so Ochefu gets his 2nd foul. Upon review the refs see clearly that Davis wasn't even close to being touched, let alone elbowed. They don't give Ochefu the flagrant 1 but the call stands. Ochefu hits the bench and X comes down and scores off the "turnover."

I was under the belief that since they are reviewing the play, the intent is to "get it right." Putting Ochefu on the bench with his 2nd foul, which led to him sitting for most of the 2nd half when he picked up another 2, was a significant. I can understand with the speed of the game, a call like that can be missed. Happens all the time. But they took the time to review it. OK, maybe you don't have to guts to change the call to a "technical foul flop,' per the rule book, but give Nova the ball and take the foul off the books. No?

I will be the first to say that I think X wins either way, but it kind of sucks when they are trying to get a call right and that's the best they came up with considering how Davis manipulated the ref to get the call. I would also think that since the behavior was basically rewarded it is sending quite a message to players and coaches alike.

Once a ref calls a foul, they can't take it away. They can change to a different player if they called it on the wrong guy, but they can't just take it away. As you said, the refs were looking at the replay to see if Ochefu connected with an elbow, which he obviously didn't, so no flangrant.

You see it a lot nowadays. Guys flail and flop and sell fouls to the refs. There was minimal contact on that play. Definitely no elbows. Our bigs have been called for those type of fouls on a few occasions this year.

[RetireFiftyTu]

What is everyone's thoughts on the Davis - Ochefu foul play in the first half? Just curious...

Ochefu has the ball along the baseline, Davis flops like he was hit with an elbow so Ochefu gets his 2nd foul. Upon review the refs see clearly that Davis wasn't even close to being touched, let alone elbowed. They don't give Ochefu the flagrant 1 but the call stands. Ochefu hits the bench and X comes down and scores off the "turnover."

I was under the belief that since they are reviewing the play, the intent is to "get it right." Putting Ochefu on the bench with his 2nd foul, which led to him sitting for most of the 2nd half when he picked up another 2, was a significant. I can understand with the speed of the game, a call like that can be missed. Happens all the time. But they took the time to review it. OK, maybe you don't have to guts to change the call to a "technical foul flop,' per the rule book, but give Nova the ball and take the foul off the books. No?

I will be the first to say that I think X wins either way, but it kind of sucks when they are trying to get a call right and that's the best they came up with considering how Davis manipulated the ref to get the call. I would also think that since the behavior was basically rewarded it is sending quite a message to players and coaches alike.

I was having an argument on twitter with a Penn St. student who brought up that Xavier won because the officiating was in their favor. One of the examples he tried to cite was Ochefu's "foul" where Myles Davis flopped. I acknowledged that Myles did flop, but then I pointed out that Brunson flopped on a similar play (I think it was Brunson, it could have been Arch, not entirely sure, but I think it was Brunson). Brunson's flop wasn't nearly as egregious as Davis', but it was still a flop that drew a foul. The guy didn't understand that officiating goes both ways. He just didn't notice, or pretended not to notice, that Brunson did the same thing as Davis. It wasn't as noticeable because it wasn't anyone's second foul or anything. What does everyone else think about the officiating? I thought it was decent. It wasn't the best but it wasn't what made Villanova lose.

[scoscox]

They were okay. People say it was one-sided because of the number of fouls called on Nova, but they committed a lot of fouls. Xavier got in the lane AT WILL and that's going to draw a lot of fouls. Jenkins earned his fouls most were pretty hard as well as Hart's. I thought they missed some on Xavier, but they didn't affect the game. Xavier just dominated.

[Westbrook#36]

I don't know, you guys think Bridges outplayed him again?

???? One poster, ONE has said something along the lines of Bridges have a better year and I'm 99.99% certain he says that just to troll. That being said, EVERY Nova fan likes Mikal Bridges A WHOLE LOT, thank you very much.

[X Factor]

The refs had ZERO to do with Xavier winning. To even mention it is ridiculous. Xavier was up 82-67, a 15 point lead, with 2:13 left in the game. Nova, to their credit, hit four 3 pointers in the final minute of the game when Xavier was trying to run out the clock, final margin being 7 points.

The final score was not indicitive of Xavier's performance.

[RetireFiftyTu]

X Factor, I agree with you 100%. Xavier won this game because they were the better team last night.