Game of the year on Wednesday

[Phillycat]

Love how these threads turn into bash Nova thons at the drop of a hat, of course it all about March(small sample size of the last 2 years to boot), .

The last 2 years? You mean since 2009, right?

2010-2012 were dark years in which we knew the root cause of their failures. These last two seasons are up for debate.

[MUBoxer]

Love how these threads turn into bash Nova thons at the drop of a hat, of course it all about March(small sample size of the last 2 years to boot), .

The last 2 years? You mean since 2009, right?

2010-2012 were dark years in which we knew the root cause of their failures. These last two seasons are up for debate.

You had a 2 seed and Scottie Reynolds in 2010 no excuse there.

[PorthosPA]

Nova fans, everyone here respects the hell out of your team and we all wish we had your regular season success. Your team just needs to go back to having success in the tourney. I get the whole "we've lost to the national champ more times than not in the last 9 tournaments Nova's been in" excuse and I get that NC St. might not have been a typical 8 seed talent wise last year. Nova fans have to realize that excuses are like assholes- everyone has one and they all stink. If you can't handle BEast fans bringing it up on a BEast message board, you're probably not going to want to watch ESPN or CBS on or after selection Sunday. When they talk Nova, that's all they'll bring up and it will be worse than this. You have to accept that until Nova gets back the 2nd week of the tourney, that will be the narrative.

Xavier fans, we need to know our place. Villanova owns us right now, it's not even close. We act like the Rodney Dangerfield of college basketball about not getting respect, but what has our program done? Gone to 5 sweet 16s in 8 years? That's like making the NFL playoffs out of the AFC South. Congrats, our team is the Indianapolis Colts of college basketball. We also like to bring up the elite 8 appearances, but the most recent one was 8 years ago. Know what has happened since then? 28 teams not named Xavier have made the elite 8 and Villanova made the final 4. 3 times this year our team has had it's highest ranking ever and 3 times they have lost immediately afterwards. Maybe as a fan base, we should wait until after our team doesn't immediately lose to go on message boards to talk crap, so we all don't look like idiots. Right now, Villanova is a 16 year old kid and Xavier is his 10 year old little brother. The little brother has never beaten his older brother in the driveway, but trash talks because one time, he actually made a bucket during one of their games.

Including Wednesday, I hope Nova and X play 3 more times this year- Wednesday, the conference championship, and either the final 4 or national championship game. Instead of talking crap about each other's programs, let's go back to what's brought this board harmony for most of the year- talking crap about DePaul, St. John's and Georgetown (I kid, I kid). Keep in mind, we're not in direct competition with each other anymore 19 days from today (unless the FF or NC scenario happens).

[Westbrook#36]

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And yet for all the issues we've had for the past three years you guys are barely above us in terms of overall success. I guess when you can't argue a valid point you go on the offensive?

But I'll indulge your attempt to change the subject from my point, which you can't counter. Here's the wins in the actual best basketball conference ever. It must drive you crazy that a CUSA team came in and was more successful than a traditional BE team.

NOVA - 181-90 (82-58)

Marq - 191-85 (91-49)

Wow, that's such a huge difference over an 8 year span. Average of about 1 win a season, congratulations. Thought Marquette was going to own this league, you guys said as much 3 years ago at the formation of the nBE, actually you guys couldn't stop talking about. How did that work out?

[Phillycat]

The last 2 years? You mean since 2009, right?[/quote]

2010-2012 were dark years in which we knew the root cause of their failures. These last two seasons are up for debate.[/quote]

You had a 2 seed and Scottie Reynolds in 2010 no excuse there.[/quote]

Locker room blew up, too many egos. There was a fight prior to the st Mary's game (allegedly) that led to fisher and Scottie starting on the bench. Things unraveled following that and did not improve til arch and chef arrived. There is no correlation between 2010 and last two years. Same result, different reasons. We understand 2010, last year is up for debate why.

[GumbyDamnit!]

It sort of like us saying: "well, X has not beaten us in 6 tries in the Big East" or "I'm just hoping for a better challenge than that 32 point ass-whipping in the first game." Or for you MUBoxer, "at least we aren't looking like Marq who will go 3 straight without making the tourney. Good job contributing there Golden Warriors." All pass your litmus test of being "accurate" statements. But much like your comments: "douchey" IMO.

You did go three straight years without making a tournament before though, as long as Marquette's old Big East tournament credits are still paying this conference (which we brought in the most) I'd say we're contributing just fine given a coaching change and complete program reboot. I guess your idea of douchey is when someone speaks the truth that you don't want to hear?

Marquette hasn't made the tournament in 3 years, it sucks but we own it. What drives me crazy is that if you point out the choking that Nova has done to any Nova fan they get hyper defensive and call someone "douchey" or go on the offensive (both of those shown by your two responses to my comment) it's like you guys can't handle criticism or truth.

And you prove my point... When someone makes a douchey comment (even if uncomfortable or true) about Marq you are quick to offer a defense. How is that any different from a Nova fan doing the same? You say it is just facts and we should just take it in stride. You didn't just take it in stride, you responded as a fan who is proud of your program. We do no differently. If anything Nova fans have been more than gracious on this board with several fan bases that we have had our way with since the conference was formed. But we will respond when we feel it is necessary.

NOT ONE team has won MORE games than Nova in the tourney since conference inception. FACT. Of all the teams in conference, Nova holds the most recent FF and NC in its pocket. FACT. So yeah please, as your team enters yet another off-season wondering when your next invite, let alone tourney win will come, keep reminding us that Nova hasn't played up to your standards.

[stever20]

It sort of like us saying: "well, X has not beaten us in 6 tries in the Big East" or "I'm just hoping for a better challenge than that 32 point ass-whipping in the first game." Or for you MUBoxer, "at least we aren't looking like Marq who will go 3 straight without making the tourney. Good job contributing there Golden Warriors." All pass your litmus test of being "accurate" statements. But much like your comments: "douchey" IMO.

You did go three straight years without making a tournament before though, as long as Marquette's old Big East tournament credits are still paying this conference (which we brought in the most) I'd say we're contributing just fine given a coaching change and complete program reboot. I guess your idea of douchey is when someone speaks the truth that you don't want to hear?

Marquette hasn't made the tournament in 3 years, it sucks but we own it. What drives me crazy is that if you point out the choking that Nova has done to any Nova fan they get hyper defensive and call someone "douchey" or go on the offensive (both of those shown by your two responses to my comment) it's like you guys can't handle criticism or truth.

And you prove my point... When someone makes a douchey comment (even if uncomfortable or true) about Marq you are quick to offer a defense. How is that any different from a Nova fan doing the same? You say it is just facts and we should just take it in stride. You didn't just take it in stride, you responded as a fan who is proud of your program. We do no differently. If anything Nova fans have been more than gracious on this board with several fan bases that we have had our way with since the conference was formed. But we will respond when we feel it is necessary.

NOT ONE team has won MORE games than Nova in the tourney since conference inception. FACT. Of all the teams in conference, Nova holds the most recent FF and NC in its pocket. FACT. So yeah please, as your team enters yet another off-season wondering when your next invite, let alone tourney win will come, keep reminding us that Nova hasn't played up to your standards.

Um, Butler says hello in terms of most recent FF.

[MUBoxer]

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And yet for all the issues we've had for the past three years you guys are barely above us in terms of overall success. I guess when you can't argue a valid point you go on the offensive?

But I'll indulge your attempt to change the subject from my point, which you can't counter. Here's the wins in the actual best basketball conference ever. It must drive you crazy that a CUSA team came in and was more successful than a traditional BE team.

NOVA - 181-90 (82-58)

Marq - 191-85 (91-49)

Wow, that's such a huge difference over an 8 year span. Average of about 1 win a season, congratulations. Thought Marquette was going to own this league, you guys said as much 3 years ago at the formation of the nBE, actually you guys couldn't stop talking about. How did that work out?

Once again this has nothing to do with the point. Rather than addressing your own issues and owning them you turn it on whoever dares criticize St Jay. But here I'll give you a pretty easy run down of MU going from going to own the conference to average to terrible to average again.

Prior to the year: We lost the guy that was supposed to be "the guy" to leaving early (Vander), lost the likely starting point guard to a broken foot (duane wilson) and lost the 6th man (jameel mckay, look at him at Iowa st you can see what a hit that was) to transfer so that kinda knocked us down a huge notch.

After year 1: Then we lost our coach, athletic director, provost and president in the span of like 3 months so not just the basketball program but the whole school was in shambles.

During year 2: We lost three players (Dawson, Burton and Taylor, the later two would've been key players on this team) majorly changing the complexion of this team from having a former top 10 recruiting class being juniors to being almost all underclassmen. Then you add on the difference between having a highly rated PG able to contribute immediately (Nick Noskowiak) and having to replace him with an unknown still raw PG (Carter) I'm actually surprised we've managed to be decently competitive again as quickly as we have.

But once again I'm owning all that. Nova fans would never dare admit they underperformed.

[MUBoxer]

It sort of like us saying: "well, X has not beaten us in 6 tries in the Big East" or "I'm just hoping for a better challenge than that 32 point ass-whipping in the first game." Or for you MUBoxer, "at least we aren't looking like Marq who will go 3 straight without making the tourney. Good job contributing there Golden Warriors." All pass your litmus test of being "accurate" statements. But much like your comments: "douchey" IMO.

You did go three straight years without making a tournament before though, as long as Marquette's old Big East tournament credits are still paying this conference (which we brought in the most) I'd say we're contributing just fine given a coaching change and complete program reboot. I guess your idea of douchey is when someone speaks the truth that you don't want to hear?

Marquette hasn't made the tournament in 3 years, it sucks but we own it. What drives me crazy is that if you point out the choking that Nova has done to any Nova fan they get hyper defensive and call someone "douchey" or go on the offensive (both of those shown by your two responses to my comment) it's like you guys can't handle criticism or truth.

And you prove my point... When someone makes a douchey comment (even if uncomfortable or true) about Marq you are quick to offer a defense. How is that any different from a Nova fan doing the same? You say it is just facts and we should just take it in stride. You didn't just take it in stride, you responded as a fan who is proud of your program. We do no differently. If anything Nova fans have been more than gracious on this board with several fan bases that we have had our way with since the conference was formed. But we will respond when we feel it is necessary.

NOT ONE team has won MORE games than Nova in the tourney since conference inception. FACT. Of all the teams in conference, Nova holds the most recent FF and NC in its pocket. FACT. So yeah please, as your team enters yet another off-season wondering when your next invite, let alone tourney win will come, keep reminding us that Nova hasn't played up to your standards.

What defense are you talking about? I blatantly said "Marquette has not made the tournament in 3 years it sucks but I own it".

Instead of owning any shortcomings of your own program you turn the table and say 'well you haven't brought anything to the conference' or 'we've won more so you can't criticize' to which I responded essentially 'we won more then so I'll at least criticize the 2010 and our old tournament credits are still paying out so we have contributed'

It all comes down to admitting your shortcomings it's something Nova fans never do.

[NovaBall]

Jay wright has 14 ncaa tournament wins with 4 sweet 16, two trips to the elite 8, and a final four

What has your coach done?

Thanks for playing!

But yeah, we slipped up in 2014 and 2015. Might as well shut the program down like marquette and georgetown have done.