Conference realignment discussion - v. 2015

[Bill Marsh]

That's ridiculous. By that logic, all conferences should be 18 teams so that they can claim to have the "most bids". Getting more teams in the tourney is great, but you also have two more mouths to feed, and--by force of mathematics--two more bad programs to carry. There is no money being left on the table, as the TV money would get diluted and those NCAA units you are craving won't compensate for both 2 more mouths and that dilution.

Also, no one, repeat NO ONE, judges the strength of the conference solely on the # of bids. Everyone is smart enough to realize that a 16 team league might get more in than a 10 team league. What matters is winning some games once you're in and playing to seed or better. That is where our league--my team most of all--has work to do.

You worry about being a mid-major? Nothing screams mid-major more than trying to add teams in the hopes of getting one more bid via some kind of scheduling shenanigans. Copying the AAC or A-10? C'mon. How about we just keep doing what we're doing: recruit head-to-head with the other power conferences, invest in coaches and facilities, schedule strong OOC slates and win 'em. The rest of this is loser talk.

Completely agree.

More BIDS do NOT = more money. More tournament WINS = more money.

1 bid = $1.5 million (currently),or $250K per year for 6 years.
5 bids = $7.5 million = $750K per team annually in a 10 team league.
6 bids = $9.0 million = $750K per team annually in a 12 team league.

There's absolutely no difference for the members unless 2 more team can add 2 more bids per year, which is highly unlikely. HOWEVER, if teams win more games, that definitely generates more revenue since each win means an additional $1.5 million for the league. Adding weaker teams makes it a weaker league with the result that teams are less prepared going into the tournament and therefore less likely to win more games.

I'm not opposed to expansion. In fact, I'd add Gonzaga tomorrow if I could. I'd also strongly consider adding Dayton. There are good reasons to consider expansion, but adding teams to create a watered down conference with weaker competition is not one of them. Given that alternative, I'd much rather stay at 10, which in an ideal world is all that would be needed.

[ecasadoSBU]

That's ridiculous. By that logic, all conferences should be 18 teams so that they can claim to have the "most bids". Getting more teams in the tourney is great, but you also have two more mouths to feed, and--by force of mathematics--two more bad programs to carry. There is no money being left on the table, as the TV money would get diluted and those NCAA units you are craving won't compensate for both 2 more mouths and that dilution.

Also, no one, repeat NO ONE, judges the strength of the conference solely on the # of bids. Everyone is smart enough to realize that a 16 team league might get more in than a 10 team league. What matters is winning some games once you're in and playing to seed or better. That is where our league--my team most of all--has work to do.

You worry about being a mid-major? Nothing screams mid-major more than trying to add teams in the hopes of getting one more bid via some kind of scheduling shenanigans. Copying the AAC or A-10? C'mon. How about we just keep doing what we're doing: recruit head-to-head with the other power conferences, invest in coaches and facilities, schedule strong OOC slates and win 'em. The rest of this is loser talk.

+100

Leave it at ten boy and girls. There is no program to add right now that would make the league better. There is nothing to talk about in this thread. No discussion. perhaps in the future when a program in the East/Midwest goes deep in the tourney for several years or shows it can play with the Big Boys we can add them. The Big East is an excellent position to hand pick additions. Absolutely no pressure to add riding on a 12 year TV Contract and good money from the NCAA

[Xavier4036]

And they make the NCAA every year and they sell out every home game.

What?

You are entitled to your own opinion, but you cannot make up facts to support that opinion.

"And they make the NCAA every year".... Dayton has made the NCAA 3 times in the past 10 years (30%) and 6 times in the last 20 years (30%)

"And they sell out every home game"..... Dayton has sold out 3 of their 13 homes games this season so far (23% of their games)

30% and 23% are a far cry away from "every"

[Masterofreality]

Dayton is not getting an invite to the Big East. Not now, not in the forseeable future. Put that dead dog down and bury it. Fun for message board fodder, but it's not happening, VD fan.

I heard a very interesting interview, however, after the Xavier game on Cincinnati radio on Saturday between WLW radio host Ken Broo and Mark Hoover- writer for the Tulsa World newspaper who is dialed into the University of Oklahoma and the Big 12. Broo was pumping him for an opinion as to "if the Big 12 expanded, who had the best chances of being taken?" Obviously Broo was hoping for some kind of validation that Cincinnati was a top choice...he didn't get it, however.

Hoover surprised Broo by saying that, based upon his "tea leaves readings", BYU would be the first choice and, because of the television eyes in the Northeast that could be added, that Connecticut would be second- but they would have to fix their "football situation". Broo sputtered with asking where Cincinnati would fall and Hoover said "maybe 3rd but that a Florida school or Memphis could be attractive too.

Fact is that Cincinnati's brand is falling, despite their continual lobbying efforts. Football under Tubervill is going down and their basketball is declining under Cronin. They can't get the money raised for their hoped-for basketball arena renovation and have had to delay that for at least 1 year. UConn fans rejoice. You may be bailed out of a sinking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC ship.

[NJRedman]

Dayton is not getting an invite to the Big East. Not now, not in the forseeable future. Put that dead dog down and bury it. Fun for message board fodder, but it's not happening, VD fan.

I heard a very interesting interview, however, after the Xavier game on Cincinnati radio on Saturday between WLW radio host Ken Broo and Mark Hoover- writer for the Tulsa World newspaper who is dialed into the University of Oklahoma and the Big 12. Broo was pumping him for an opinion as to "if the Big 12 expanded, who had the best chances of being taken?" Obviously Broo was hoping for some kind of validation that Cincinnati was a top choice...he didn't get it, however.

Hoover surprised Broo by saying that, based upon his "tea leaves readings", BYU would be the first choice and, because of the television eyes in the Northeast that could be added, that Connecticut would be second- but they would have to fix their "football situation". Broo sputtered with asking where Cincinnati would fall and Hoover said "maybe 3rd but that a Florida school or Memphis could be attractive too.

Fact is that Cincinnati's brand is falling, despite their continual lobbying efforts. Football under Tubervill is going down and their basketball is declining under Cronin. They can't get the money raised for their hoped-for basketball arena renovation and have had to delay that for at least 1 year. UConn fans rejoice. You may be bailed out of a sinking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC ship.

Dayton isn't some long shot and neither is Cincy. We get it, X has to be the winner of realignment and it's two rivals need to be losers. Put that dead dog down and bury it. Fun for message board fodder, but it's not happening.

[jaxalum]

Dayton is not getting an invite to the Big East. Not now, not in the forseeable future. Put that dead dog down and bury it. Fun for message board fodder, but it's not happening, VD fan.

I heard a very interesting interview, however, after the Xavier game on Cincinnati radio on Saturday between WLW radio host Ken Broo and Mark Hoover- writer for the Tulsa World newspaper who is dialed into the University of Oklahoma and the Big 12. Broo was pumping him for an opinion as to "if the Big 12 expanded, who had the best chances of being taken?" Obviously Broo was hoping for some kind of validation that Cincinnati was a top choice...he didn't get it, however.

Hoover surprised Broo by saying that, based upon his "tea leaves readings", BYU would be the first choice and, because of the television eyes in the Northeast that could be added, that Connecticut would be second- but they would have to fix their "football situation". Broo sputtered with asking where Cincinnati would fall and Hoover said "maybe 3rd but that a Florida school or Memphis could be attractive too.

Fact is that Cincinnati's brand is falling, despite their continual lobbying efforts. Football under Tubervill is going down and their basketball is declining under Cronin. They can't get the money raised for their hoped-for basketball arena renovation and have had to delay that for at least 1 year. UConn fans rejoice. You may be bailed out of a sinking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC ship.

Dayton is not getting an invite to the Big East. Not now, not in the forseeable future. Put that dead dog down and bury it. Fun for message board fodder, but it's not happening, VD fan.

I heard a very interesting interview, however, after the Xavier game on Cincinnati radio on Saturday between WLW radio host Ken Broo and Mark Hoover- writer for the Tulsa World newspaper who is dialed into the University of Oklahoma and the Big 12. Broo was pumping him for an opinion as to "if the Big 12 expanded, who had the best chances of being taken?" Obviously Broo was hoping for some kind of validation that Cincinnati was a top choice...he didn't get it, however.

Hoover surprised Broo by saying that, based upon his "tea leaves readings", BYU would be the first choice and, because of the television eyes in the Northeast that could be added, that Connecticut would be second- but they would have to fix their "football situation". Broo sputtered with asking where Cincinnati would fall and Hoover said "maybe 3rd but that a Florida school or Memphis could be attractive too.

Fact is that Cincinnati's brand is falling, despite their continual lobbying efforts. Football under Tubervill is going down and their basketball is declining under Cronin. They can't get the money raised for their hoped-for basketball arena renovation and have had to delay that for at least 1 year. UConn fans rejoice. You may be bailed out of a sinking AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC ship.

Uconn has been kicked around as a potential candidate since the inception of the league, and I think would be welcomed with open arms. We all know the obstacle....they want big time football.

In REALITY what are the chances this could possibly happen? Timeline? What would have to happen for this to happen,to become a realistic and feasible situation to the point where talks may start?

And the PERFECT candidate, Gonzaga. Obvious obstacle is logistics. Is this still the impossible dream?

Uconn and Gonzaga. Can you imagine the reverberations across college basketball if we added these two teams? I would say we would have the best basketball conference in the country.

[DudeAnon]

Uconn has been kicked around as a potential candidate since the inception of the league, and I think would be welcomed with open arms. We all know the obstacle....they want big time football.

In REALITY what are the chances this could possibly happen? Timeline? What would have to happen for this to happen,to become a realistic and feasible situation to the point where talks may start?

And the PERFECT candidate, Gonzaga. Obvious obstacle is logistics. Is this still the impossible dream?

Uconn and Gonzaga. Can you imagine the reverberations across college basketball if we added these two teams? I would say we would have the best basketball conference in the country.

The more I read the more it seems like UCONN will get picked up by a P5 if only for their TV market. As seen in Rutgers, TV market seems to be the most important quality over anything else.

[GoldenWarrior11]

The B1G's end-goal is Virginia and UNC (with possible further additions such as Duke/Georgia Tech/Florida State). UConn might, and I cannot stress might enough, be a part of that if it means others are already on board - but they are not on deck or part of the next round. While Oklahoma/Kansas have been tossed around in recent weeks, the conference's desire and focus is on the east coast. That's where the academics, balanced athletic programs and TV markets are located.

The SEC's end-goal is NC State and Virginia Tech. Two big-time football programs in new, rich recruiting areas. It advances the footprint and the football prestige.

The PAC-12 doesn't really have an optimal expansion candidate. They tried for Texahoma in 2010 (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, OK State), but couldn't swing it. They could probably add a group involving ISU/Baylor/Kansas/Oklahoma/OK State/K-State/Texas Tech/TCU to get to 16 or 18, but they are perfectly content with their set-up. There is no burning desire to add for the sake of more members.

All of this leaves the ACC/Big 12. As we have seen the power conferences go from six to five, it is looking more and more likely that we will see a consolidation into just four conferences. Four playoff spots, four conferences. It makes everything easier for the media and fans to get behind, without there being feelings of bias or unfair advantage. Just from sheer numbers, the Big 12 is easier to dissolve/break-up/reassign than the ACC (just like the Old Big East).

This all leads me to my final point: UConn is so far away from entering the P5 not because of their football-prestige, or their lack of recruiting area, or their lack of TV/media market (nationally), but rather because there are just bigger dogs out there that the conferences would rather have. The B1G already has NYC in Rutgers, they don't need to further that notion (and weakening their football brand) by adding UConn. The ACC doesn't need them either, as they have Syracuse and BC in the NE corridor, not to mention Notre Dame, which covers a big part of NYC. UConn is never coming back to the Big East, not because we wouldn't welcome them, but because they are obsessed and committed towards being a part of the P5. They will never dissolve/de-emphasize football and they will continue fighting the good fight until the NCAA/P5 tell them they will never be allowed in (and even that probably won't stop them).

[NJRedman]

The B1G's end-goal is Virginia and UNC (with possible further additions such as Duke/Georgia Tech/Florida State). UConn might, and I cannot stress might enough, be a part of that if it means others are already on board - but they are not on deck or part of the next round. While Oklahoma/Kansas have been tossed around in recent weeks, the conference's desire and focus is on the east coast. That's where the academics, balanced athletic programs and TV markets are located.

The SEC's end-goal is NC State and Virginia Tech. Two big-time football programs in new, rich recruiting areas. It advances the footprint and the football prestige.

The PAC-12 doesn't really have an optimal expansion candidate. They tried for Texahoma in 2010 (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, OK State), but couldn't swing it. They could probably add a group involving ISU/Baylor/Kansas/Oklahoma/OK State/K-State/Texas Tech/TCU to get to 16 or 18, but they are perfectly content with their set-up. There is no burning desire to add for the sake of more members.

All of this leaves the ACC/Big 12. As we have seen the power conferences go from six to five, it is looking more and more likely that we will see a consolidation into just four conferences. Four playoff spots, four conferences. It makes everything easier for the media and fans to get behind, without there being feelings of bias or unfair advantage. Just from sheer numbers, the Big 12 is easier to dissolve/break-up/reassign than the ACC (just like the Old Big East).

This all leads me to my final point: UConn is so far away from entering the P5 not because of their football-prestige, or their lack of recruiting area, or their lack of TV/media market (nationally), but rather because there are just bigger dogs out there that the conferences would rather have. The B1G already has NYC in Rutgers, they don't need to further that notion (and weakening their football brand) by adding UConn. The ACC doesn't need them either, as they have Syracuse and BC in the NE corridor, not to mention Notre Dame, which covers a big part of NYC. UConn is never coming back to the Big East, not because we wouldn't welcome them, but because they are obsessed and committed towards being a part of the P5. They will never dissolve/de-emphasize football and they will continue fighting the good fight until the NCAA/P5 tell them they will never be allowed in (and even that probably won't stop them).

I think eventually the Big XII breaks up, it's just to disorganized and fractured to stay together long term. Texas doesn't want to budge on what it wants because it knows it's got many options and that they will always be in the upper echelon no matter what it chooses to do. OU kinda wants to get away from texas because of their ego, much like A&M. The B1G wants UVA and UNC but i think would settle for just UVA. The SEC wants into Virginia and North Carolina, the last confederate states not in the SEC. The Pac wants 4 more P5 teams to go to 16, they want the big fish but will gladly take the crumbs off the table from the other Big 3 conferences. (Yes, it's a Power 5, but it's really a Big 3 inside of that. The unpoachable conferences, SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12)

B1G adds UVA and KU. SEC adds NC St and VT. Pac-12 adds OU, Texas Tech, TCU, UNLV (Building brand new state of the art dome for UNLV/Raiders who will soon move to Vegas.). The ACC adds WVU, Cincy, Baylor, KSU, Houston and Texas (all sports but FB but will play 5 ACC teams every year like Notre Dame).

UConn left out in the cold with no hope of being added anywhere decides to deemphisize FCS FB and rejoins the Big East along with Dayton.

[BEX]

1 bid = $1.5 million (currently),or $250K per year for 6 years.
5 bids = $7.5 million = $750K per team annually in a 10 team league.
6 bids = $9.0 million = $750K per team annually in a 12 team league.

Actually it's up to 1.67 million now and probably more this yr. So last yr. 5 x 1.67= 8.35 million 1 (X) 1.67 x 3 == 5.1 million or a total of 13.45 million divided by 10.