NovaBall wrote:St Bonaventure is no worse than St. John's. The Bonnie's could compete with Syracuse to see who is new York's team while Eddie Jordan and Chris Mullin wax poetic about the early 1980's and get their butts kicked game after game.
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:I vote that the Big 12 test this theory by expanding to include Tulane and Rice. By the same logic, it should help elevate Oklahoma State, Kansas State and TCU in basketball, as well as all of the teams in football (perhaps maybe not Kansas, but that's another story).
handdownmandown wrote:The funny thing about JP is his entire reason for wanting Bonaventure to get in is so it can, after a few years, become one of the strong teams. He has outright admitted this fact in the past. So his entire argument is not to provide weakness, but ultimately add strength.
Which he can't sell, because we can buy higher quality strength in several other places.
Which makes his whole argument pointless.
NovaBall wrote:St Bonaventure is no worse than St. John's. The Bonnie's could compete with Syracuse to see who is new York's team while Eddie Jordan and Chris Mullin wax poetic about the early 1980's and get their butts kicked game after game.
Bill Marsh wrote:NovaBall wrote:St Bonaventure is no worse than St. John's. The Bonnie's could compete with Syracuse to see who is new York's team while Eddie Jordan and Chris Mullin wax poetic about the early 1980's and get their butts kicked game after game.
Nonsense. St. Bonaventure is much worse than St. John's and can't compete with Syracuse. The Bonnie's are 3-23 all time in their series with the Orange and haven't won against them since 1981, 35 years ago. At. John's just beat Syracuse for the 2nd year in a row and is 39-51 all time In their series with them. The difference is night and day.
JPSchmack wrote:NovaBall wrote:St Bonaventure is no worse than St. John's. The Bonnie's could compete with Syracuse to see who is new York's team while Eddie Jordan and Chris Mullin wax poetic about the early 1980's and get their butts kicked game after game.
I'm not going to talk trash on any current Big East school. But St. Bonaventure was peers with Syracuse in the old ECAC, and had an intense, evenly matched annual rivalry. When the Big East was being organized, one of Gavitt's first calls was to his old frat brother, Syracuse AD Jake Crouthamel.
Lo and behold, we weren't invited to the Big East and Syracuse hasn't played at the RC since Cherenko was running the USSR. Over time, revisionist history has made it sound like we weren't good enough (even though our Final Four banner was still fresh and SU hadn't been to one yet), or our TV market wasn't big enough (which is pretty insane when you consider that ESPN hadn't launched yet, so the networks were basically paying for the best teams, period).
NovaBall wrote:St Bonaventure is no worse than St. John's. The Bonnie's could compete with Syracuse to see who is new York's team while Eddie Jordan and Chris Mullin wax poetic about the early 1980's and get their butts kicked game after game.
billyjack wrote:If the original Big East had room for 2 Upstate NY teams, then St Bonaventure would have been a logical addition. Their remoteness I think destroyed their chances too, just too far from Buffalo. And yes, Gavitt was friends from college at Dartmouth with Crouthamel.
Having said all that, I like JPSchmack's contributions to this site. Different perspective but interesting. I'd like to get some history from him on the Upstate division... which teams were in it?... Syracuse, St Bona, Niagara, Canisius, Colgate... Siena? Anyone else?
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