trephin wrote:JPSchmack has admitted multiple times that the probability of St Bonaventure being invited to the Big East is infinitesimal. His belief that the Bonnies with the aid of Big East membership would capture hearts and minds from buffalo to rochester as well as the value of increased probability of additional NCAA bids at this current time for the conference can be doubted.
No one, however, has disproved the logic of his idea - namely that
1) by adding a school(s) to the bottom of the conference
2) that schedules and wins OOC to manipulate RPI
3) would significantly improve the NCAA tournament resumes of the teams above them
4) creating a high probability of reducing the "bubble" teams and increasing the "lock" teams
5) thus earning potentially a significant amount of money for the conference and per team
The conference distribution of NCAA payouts has not been stated as of yet.
There is a max number of schools that can be added before seeing diminished returns.
Secondarily, he and sheg have proposed a 13 school schedule to compensate losing the 10 school round robin.
DudeAnon wrote:First of all, all the arguments are theoretical, so don't act like they are factual.
Second of all, aren't we trying to fix something that ain't broke? Can we honestly say any of our teams that didn't make the tourney deserved to? Until the answer to that question is yes, we have no reason to tinker. If anything, other conferences should be following our model. AAC has been destroyed by the committe every year and the Dayton was the last team in last year with 26 wins.
marquette wrote:Alright JP, persistence and passion have actually spawned a (completely improbable) discussion so here goes.
Let's say in magic land 5 years down the road we decide to expand, not to 12 but to 13. We add two of Dayton, SLU, VCU and are looking for #13 to round out this scenario. At this point we have 12 teams. Each has an arena over 9,000 seats (Butler is low man, VCU is expanding theirs to 10,000 in the next couple years). Each has practice facilities (in the case of SLU and X theirs are built into their arenas). Each school has attendance over 6,000 with a conference average just a hair under 10,000 fans per game. Those numbers are all in line with other power leagues, in fact the attendance is a smidge low and puts us 5th of the 6 power conferences, although we are only 300 lower than 4th place Big 12 and 2,400 higher than the Pac 12. Bonaventure, academic side budgetary issues aside, has none of these things. Their arena holds a little over half of our average attendance, 700 fewer than the average attendance of our lowest drawing school. No practice facility. Attendance of just under 4,000.
Even if the Big East could add bonaventure without an on-court improvement, our perception as a power conference would require them to come into line with these other numbers. You won't find too many power schools who don't have similar numbers. What would this cost the cash-strapped bonnies? UW-Milwaukee's very basic proposed practice facility is estimated at $12 million. Davidson's was $15 million. I haven't found any numbers less than $25 million for an arena in 8-10,000 range. They would have to advertise and get on their journalist alumni to talk them up in the newspapers of Rochester, Albany, and Buffalo in order to increase their attendance. This is all assuming we would take them without any kind of on-court improvement. All in all what are we talking? $50 million? $60? Seems a bit far-fetched for a cash-strapped school to go through just for an extra $4 million a year.
Bill Marsh wrote:The flaw in Schmack's theory is that there's absolutely nothing predictable about this characterization of Bonaventure or anyone else. While the idea of a consistent bottom feeder that is consistently successful OOC sounds good in theory, can any school really be counted on for this kind of performance over the long term? The idea is ludicrous.
...all of the criteria of infrastructure, fan support, and institutional commitment...a reasonable history of success
handdownmandown wrote:If wins are hard to come by, improve your product.
stever20 wrote:DudeAnon wrote:First of all, all the arguments are theoretical, so don't act like they are factual.
Second of all, aren't we trying to fix something that ain't broke? Can we honestly say any of our teams that didn't make the tourney deserved to? Until the answer to that question is yes, we have no reason to tinker. If anything, other conferences should be following our model. AAC has been destroyed by the committe every year and the Dayton was the last team in last year with 26 wins.
2 years ago you could say that St John's maybe should have and Xavier having to go to the PIG game. And PC wouldn't have made it had they not won the BET.
marquette wrote:Alright JP, persistence and passion have actually spawned a (completely improbable) discussion so here goes.
Let's say in magic land 5 years down the road we decide to expand, not to 12 but to 13. We add two of Dayton, SLU, VCU and are looking for #13 to round out this scenario. At this point we have 12 teams. Each has an arena over 9,000 seats (Butler is low man, VCU is expanding theirs to 10,000 in the next couple years). Each has practice facilities (in the case of SLU and X theirs are built into their arenas). Each school has attendance over 6,000 with a conference average just a hair under 10,000 fans per game. Those numbers are all in line with other power leagues, in fact the attendance is a smidge low and puts us 5th of the 6 power conferences, although we are only 300 lower than 4th place Big 12 and 2,400 higher than the Pac 12. Bonaventure, academic side budgetary issues aside, has none of these things. Their arena holds a little over half of our average attendance, 700 fewer than the average attendance of our lowest drawing school. No practice facility. Attendance of just under 4,000.
Even if the Big East could add bonaventure without an on-court improvement, our perception as a power conference would require them to come into line with these other numbers. You won't find too many power schools who don't have similar numbers. What would this cost the cash-strapped bonnies? UW-Milwaukee's very basic proposed practice facility is estimated at $12 million. Davidson's was $15 million. I haven't found any numbers less than $25 million for an arena in 8-10,000 range. They would have to advertise and get on their journalist alumni to talk them up in the newspapers of Rochester, Albany, and Buffalo in order to increase their attendance. This is all assuming we would take them without any kind of on-court improvement. All in all what are we talking? $50 million? $60? Seems a bit far-fetched for a cash-strapped school to go through just for an extra $4 million a year.
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