Villanova

[ChestRockwell85]

It would help the conference if ANYBODY did well in the tournament. Nobody has done anything since the new Big East. Bragging about going to the Sweet 16 is mid-major chest pounding. Yeah, it's good for your team, but if that is all your conference has to brag about, just ONE team going to the Sweet 16, it's really not that good. It's not horrible, but again, not that good.

This is not a shot at Xavier fans, if Villanova was the ONLY team to go to the Sweet 16 last year I would be saying the same thing in regards to how sure, that is nice for Villanova, but overall for the conference it is nothing special.

Butler went to back-to-back NCAA tournament finals within the past 5 years. That is TREMENDOUS, but guess what? They weren't in the Big East when it happened. So again, the NEW Big East still has a way to go in March AS A WHOLE before anybody can start pointing fingers at anybody. End of story.

[RedStormHoops]

It would help the conference if ANYBODY did well in the tournament. Nobody has done anything since the new Big East. Bragging about going to the Sweet 16 is mid-major chest pounding. Yeah, it's good for your team, but if that is all your conference has to brag about, just ONE team going to the Sweet 16, it's really not that good. It's not horrible, but again, not that good.

This is not a shot at Xavier fans, if Villanova was the ONLY team to go to the Sweet 16 last year I would be saying the same thing in regards to how sure, that is nice for Villanova, but overall for the conference it is nothing special.

Butler went to back-to-back NCAA tournament finals within the past 5 years. That is TREMENDOUS, but guess what? They weren't in the Big East when it happened. So again, the NEW Big East still has a way to go in March AS A WHOLE before anybody can start pointing fingers at anybody. End of story.

And again, my point from the beginning has been yes, he conference needs to do it together, but there's an extra emphasis or spotlight or importance on the wildcats doing well because of how well they run through conference play.

[hoops22]

No, no, you are right. When a fan of a school that has been a complete disaster for the last 15 years plus tells me what a disappointment Villanova is, let me send him a box of Kleenex and an apology note because our success is supposed to make up for St. John's complete shitting of the bed for the last decade plus.

Before the Big East split up, St. John's might as well have not even existed since 2000. You didn't do anything to help the league then, and you aren't doing anything to help the league now.

Hey, we might be pompous, but at least it is because of recent success, we aren't the ones sniffing glue still pounding our chests like Carnesecca is still on the sideline. Honestly, the most delusional fanbase there is. NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU DID 25 YEARS AGO, TRY DOING SOMETHING NOW!

St. John's has been an issue for a long time now, you have done very, very little to help the Big East. Try looking at what a trainwreck your program is and figure that out before you start throwing stones at the #6 team in the country like they owe you something.

Oh yeah, Rawle Alkins is totally on his way to Queens next year.

Dude, let me clue you in on something. St. John's makes a huge contribution to this league even when they're having a poor year like this season. The BET is in MSG because New York is a BE town. And New York is a BE town due to St. John's. The media attention the league gets is largely due to it's NYC presense. Even Syracuse, since they left to play in a southern league, rarely get a mention in the NY press anymore, and certainly are gone from the City's radar. On the other hand, take something like Zagsblog, which is a highly regarded source for college basketball news. The BE and St. John's in particular, get as much publicity as anyone. For example, right now Chris Holtmann is an interview on the current podcast. Butler is getting that exposure in a widely followed forum, because of BE interest in NY, due to St. Johns. Also look at major network games involving BE teams. St johns gets as many as anyone in this league, even in a down year. We had Syracuse this year, get Duke every time they're on the schedule, UCLA also a couple of times recently.

And Nova ball you have the balls to belittle the hiring of Chris Mullin? Yeah right, he's a Hall of Famer, comes in and steals Kentucky's lead recruiter from them, and hires another Hall of Famer (Mitch Richmond) to assist on the bench. Tell me another coach in the country that would accomplish that in his first few months. As far as Rawle Alkins goes, Jerry Meyer has St John's down as his likely destination. I'll trust Meyer's opinion over some know nothing Villanova homer anyday. And as we speak Thon Maker is at St John's for a visit tonight and they're in his final five. Both are 5 star recruits and no other BE team is in the running for either besides St John's.

St. Johns has more tradition than anyone else in the BE, and ranks 8th in all time NCAA wins. If Nova is so great, tell me when you're going to move out of that ridiculous ski lodge you play in, which coincidentally must have the most uncomfortable seating anywhere in the nation.

Finally all Johnnie fans knew this was going to be a rough year as early as the first preseason game. But all the Johnnie fans around here have stuck by the team, watch the games and root for them, despite the season it's been. So all the fair weather Nova fans can take all the shots they want at us now, turnabout is coming and it will be here sooner than you think. I never knew the Philly inferiority complex with New York, extended to college basketball too.

[ecasadoSBU]

This is what this board needs more of. Pissing matches everywhere. I'm loving it!!

All the peace and fraternal love from team across the league has come to an end.,.. Until March

Let me put my two cents. Villanova deserves respect and has contributed a lot more to the Big East in the past decade than St. John's. No question. I live in the Bronx and i rarely hear St. John's mentioned anywhere so please lets cut the crap with the Big East owing something to SJU. The Madison Square Garden is a neutral site (it really is!) and as much as I would like for St. John's to own this city... Reality is that it is far from owning anything. It probably doesn't even own its borough (Queens)...

Of course, a good St. John's would reflect well on the Big East and would probably draw the attention of casual basketball fans of this city. But that attention is nowhere to be found right now. NONE. I think the NY Post is the only one that bothers to occasionally write about the Johnies.

I'm hoping Mullin can change the losing culture that has taken over SJU sooner rather than later. Even I would put the effort to attend the MSG games

In regards to Villanova. They need to get over the hump. The need to avoid choking up in March for a 3rd time in three years. Bottom line. No freaking excuses. Have they been great for the B.E? YES. Are they top team in this league since re-configuration? YES... But no excuses for choking up in March. We need our best ambassador to show that this league is as powerful as any other in America and what other way than by winning in March. It's the price of being a winning team. It comes with the territory. Win a few games in March and everyone will STFU and respect Nova as they deserve. Elite 8 or bust!

[ChestRockwell85]

No, no, you are right. When a fan of a school that has been a complete disaster for the last 15 years plus tells me what a disappointment Villanova is, let me send him a box of Kleenex and an apology note because our success is supposed to make up for St. John's complete shitting of the bed for the last decade plus.

Before the Big East split up, St. John's might as well have not even existed since 2000. You didn't do anything to help the league then, and you aren't doing anything to help the league now.

Hey, we might be pompous, but at least it is because of recent success, we aren't the ones sniffing glue still pounding our chests like Carnesecca is still on the sideline. Honestly, the most delusional fanbase there is. NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU DID 25 YEARS AGO, TRY DOING SOMETHING NOW!

St. John's has been an issue for a long time now, you have done very, very little to help the Big East. Try looking at what a trainwreck your program is and figure that out before you start throwing stones at the #6 team in the country like they owe you something.

Oh yeah, Rawle Alkins is totally on his way to Queens next year.

Dude, let me clue you in on something. St. John's makes a huge contribution to this league even when they're having a poor year like this season. The BET is in MSG because New York is a BE town. And New York is a BE town due to St. John's. The media attention the league gets is largely due to it's NYC presense. Even Syracuse, since they left to play in a southern league, rarely get a mention in the NY press anymore, and certainly are gone from the City's radar. On the other hand, take something like Zagsblog, which is a highly regarded source for college basketball news. The BE and St. John's in particular, get as much publicity as anyone. For example, right now Chris Holtmann is an interview on the current podcast. Butler is getting that exposure in a widely followed forum, because of BE interest in NY, due to St. Johns. Also look at major network games involving BE teams. St johns gets as many as anyone in this league, even in a down year. We had Syracuse this year, get Duke every time they're on the schedule, UCLA also a couple of times recently.

And Nova ball you have the balls to belittle the hiring of Chris Mullin? Yeah right, he's a Hall of Famer, comes in and steals Kentucky's lead recruiter from them, and hires another Hall of Famer (Mitch Richmond) to assist on the bench. Tell me another coach in the country that would accomplish that in his first few months. As far as Rawle Alkins goes, Jerry Meyer has St John's down as his likely destination. I'll trust Meyer's opinion over some know nothing Villanova homer anyday. And as we speak Thon Maker is at St John's for a visit tonight and they're in his final five. Both are 5 star recruits and no other BE team is in the running for either besides St John's.

St. Johns has more tradition than anyone else in the BE, and ranks 8th in all time NCAA wins. If Nova is so great, tell me when you're going to move out of that ridiculous ski lodge you play in, which coincidentally must have the most uncomfortable seating anywhere in the nation.

Finally all Johnnie fans knew this was going to be a rough year as early as the first preseason game. But all the Johnnie fans around here have stuck by the team, watch the games and root for them, despite the season it's been. So all the fair weather Nova fans can take all the shots they want at us now, turnabout is coming and it will be here sooner than you think. I never knew the Philly inferiority complex with New York, extended to college basketball too.

First off, Carnesecca Arena is a joke. You have the WORST student section in the Big East. It is literally embarrassing.

Secondly, I am from New York, Ball is from New England, we are not Philly people. Let's use Chaminade High School for example since it is right by St. John's, and no I didn't go there. From last year 11 kids went to St. John's, 19 went to Villanova. http://www.chaminade-hs.org/uploaded/20 ... 10_Aug.pdf so why don't you learn that not everybody who goes to Villanova is from Philly. I don't see the mystery here.

Lastly, YOU ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Johnnies fans still high off of success they had decades ago. You haven't done a damn thing since 2000. I have high hopes for St. John's and Mullin, but MAN OH MAN, have we been here before with St. John's, "JUST YOU WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR! YOU'LL SEE!" Yeah, we are still waiting. I thought maybe Mullin would lay off the JUCOs and academically ineligible players, but looks like another St. John's tradition that will continue.

GODSPEED!

[MackNova]

As long as this thread is devolving, I'll respond to this...

Dude, let me clue you in on something. St. John's makes a huge contribution to this league even when they're having a poor year like this season. The BET is in MSG because New York is a BE town. And New York is a BE town due to St. John's. The media attention the league gets is largely due to it's NYC presense.

Even Syracuse, since they left to play in a southern league, rarely get a mention in the NY press anymore, and certainly are gone from the City's radar. On the other hand, take something like Zagsblog, which is a highly regarded source for college basketball news. The BE and St. John's in particular, get as much publicity as anyone. For example, right now Chris Holtmann is an interview on the current podcast. Butler is getting that exposure in a widely followed forum, because of BE interest in NY, due to St. Johns. Also look at major network games involving BE teams. St johns gets as many as anyone in this league, even in a down year. We had Syracuse this year, get Duke every time they're on the schedule, UCLA also a couple of times recently.

Madison Square Garden makes a huge contribution to the league. St. John's is important because it has a deal with the Garden. By this logic, if Fordham got a deal with MSG, we could replace St. John's with Fordham and it wouldn't make a difference.

We need St. John's to provide more to the league than just its location.

Don't get me wrong, I love the location. I'm looking forward to going to the Garden again to watch us beat St. John's for the 8th straight season.

And Nova ball you have the balls to belittle the hiring of Chris Mullin? Yeah right, he's a Hall of Famer, comes in and steals Kentucky's lead recruiter from them, and hires another Hall of Famer (Mitch Richmond) to assist on the bench. Tell me another coach in the country that would accomplish that in his first few months. As far as Rawle Alkins goes, Jerry Meyer has St John's down as his likely destination. I'll trust Meyer's opinion over some know nothing Villanova homer anyday. And as we speak Thon Maker is at St John's for a visit tonight and they're in his final five. Both are 5 star recruits and no other BE team is in the running for either besides St John's.

I hope you get those recruits. I want St. John's to be good. But I'll believe it when I see it with Mullin, like I would any other coach coming to St. John's. How many Hall of Fame players are also great coaches?

St. Johns has more tradition than anyone else in the BE, and ranks 8th in all time NCAA wins. If Nova is so great, tell me when you're going to move out of that ridiculous ski lodge you play in, which coincidentally must have the most uncomfortable seating anywhere in the nation.

Finally all Johnnie fans knew this was going to be a rough year as early as the first preseason game. But all the Johnnie fans around here have stuck by the team, watch the games and root for them, despite the season it's been. So all the fair weather Nova fans can take all the shots they want at us now, turnabout is coming and it will be here sooner than you think. I never knew the Philly inferiority complex with New York, extended to college basketball too.

Again, we'll see. Today is the 14-year anniversary of St. John's last home win against Villanova. "Turnabout" has been coming for 14 years, and the gap has never been greater than this season.

I hope St. John's gets Maker. I hope you get Alkins. And I hope you can keep them on the court. I want Mullin to that team into a threat to not just make the NCAA Tournament but to make a deep run. It would be nice to have a St. John's team that could contribute more than its location to the league.

And Villanova fans know that we need to do better in the NCAA Tournament. The team has been too good recently to blow it in March, and March is where teams are ultimately judged. And doing well in March is also good for the league's perception. Villanova losing in March after our regular season success has not helped that.

Whether it's KenPom, BPI, RPI, or Vegas, every statistical measure rates Villanova as one of the top 4 teams in the country. Even better than we were last season, when we finished 2nd in the AP poll behind a dominant Kentucky team. Whether that means anything in March, I don't know, but as a Villanova fan, I couldn't be happier with the state of the program, even with last year's disappointment. If our team is as good as the numbers and the record says, we have a chance.

[NovaBall]

You know what was disappointing? Being a big east fan living in NYC from 2003-2012 and wishing there was a good local team to follow.

St johns is a joke. Good teams in the mid-80's, but only one final four and no rings. A decent squad in the late 90's. And then either mediocrity or outright stench.

St. John's might have the weakest tradition out of everyone in the conference. Blah, blah, a couple nit runs in the 1960's. So what. I will take seton hall's years under PJ over the entire contribution of St. John's to the big east. I have fonder memories of billy the kid and rick pitino running tk the 1987 final four than I do of St. John's only final four run. Nova marquette and the hoyas have all done something this century and have a championship ring in my lifetime to celebrate. Louis carnessecca was overrated!

And where is St. John's headed? It looks like their golden boy new coach is an Eddie Jordan clone. Yeah, rutgers brought back one of their all time greats, how is that working out? At least Eddie had some coaching experience.

But we all see what St. John's is doing in the sideline. It's apparent that Mullin doesn't know how to coach, so he has Slice doing all the X's and O's for him. Sweet. Wasn't slice a complete disaster at Manhattan? Why is that guy handling the in game strategy! No wonder you can't beat incarnate word or whatever other slop you lost to out of conference.

A new milestone in 2016 for the big east should be reached: our first 0-18 team. Congrats johnnies fans. But I guess you will always have those 1960 NIT banners. Enjoy those memories.

At this point I wouldn't mind trading out St. John's for Fordham. It's a better school with a closer institutional profile with the big east members. They can start renting msg and putting money into their program. Why not? The in court product is no different right now.

[NovaBall]

Real quick glance at nova v at johns, ncaa tournament tradition

Appearances:
Johnnies 29
Nova 35

Sweet 16
Johnnies 9
Nova 16

Elite 8
Johnnies 6
Nova 12

Final 4
Johnnies 2
Nova 4

Championships
Johnnies 0
Nova 1

wins:
Johnnies 27
Nova 51

[RedStormHoops]

Nova fans try not to take what hoops22 said and generalize and think all sju fans are like that. Just like I will take what NovaBall said above and not generalize and think all nova fans are like that.

Frankly,I didn't know a minor criticism about novas ending to the last two seasons was going to lead to a bunch of Villanova fans ripping apart St. John's entire history and program, but so be it

P.S. you guys can have Fordham if that's what you want. St. John's has a bright future

[ecasadoSBU]

At this point I wouldn't mind trading out St. John's for Fordham. It's a better school with a closer institutional profile with the big east members. They can start renting msg and putting money into their program. Why not? The in court product is no different right now.

Okay... That's just stupid now... STOP!