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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby DanofXav76 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:35 pm

stever20 wrote:
adoraz wrote:Stever, once again you are completely oblivious. I never doubted how much your RPI can increase or decrease for a single game, especially for teams ranked near 100 or worse. A team in a good position, say an RPI around 30, obviously wouldn't move up 17 spots for beating a bad team.

But are you seriously bragging about a 73 RPI? Lol.

73 RPI is bad. They still have a lot of work to do. Little room for error. Outside looking in.

Get my point now?

And if they win this weekend @ Temple, they'll be in the top 50.

And you know what Butler RPI is right now? 49. And you know what it'll be after beating St John's at home this weekend. Right around 50.

So if Cincy is ahead of Butler after this weekend, does that mean Butler has little room for error then?


Well Butler did beat UC at UC right?
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby stever20 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 12:38 pm

I'm a big basketball fan. I love to analyze stuff(like you can't tell). It does bother me when folks here want to paint the AAC like they are the 15th best conference or something like that. Because that is so far away from reality it's not funny. If the AAC looked like what the MWC looked like, I could say yes, 1 bid no matter what. But when a conference looks like what the AAC does even now- with UConn and Cincy both in the top 40 of Ken Pom- in the 70's in RPI(and trending up- and projected to be in the top 50 before their conference tourney)- i'm sorry but to act like that's a 1 bid conference is pretty ignorant to me. And it bothers me when folks say a team is a lock in the Big East, even though they have struggled some(Butler). Like I've said, I think they'll get in, but it's going to get interesting for them IMO.

As far as Georgetown. This year is reminding me a LOT of 2 years ago. Tough to get behind a team that underachieves like this. Thought this year was going to be a great year but then Radford happened.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby adoraz » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:12 pm

stever20 wrote:
adoraz wrote:Stever, once again you are completely oblivious. I never doubted how much your RPI can increase or decrease for a single game, especially for teams ranked near 100 or worse. A team in a good position, say an RPI around 30, obviously wouldn't move up 17 spots for beating a bad team.

But are you seriously bragging about a 73 RPI? Lol.

73 RPI is bad. They still have a lot of work to do. Little room for error. Outside looking in.

Get my point now?

And if they win this weekend @ Temple, they'll be in the top 50.

And you know what Butler RPI is right now? 49. And you know what it'll be after beating St John's at home this weekend. Right around 50.

So if Cincy is ahead of Butler after this weekend, does that mean Butler has little room for error then?


Every post you ever made involves if, if, if, if, then. You talk about scenarios not events.

@Temple won't be an easy win. IF they win then they're in better shape. What if they lose? Of course you'd never mention that.

Butler is in a decent position right now but nowhere near as safe as the top 3 Big East teams. The top 3 are locks and Butler has work to do. I'm confused though, how is Butler relevant to this conversation?

Personally, Stever, I WANT Cincy to do well because Big East beat up on them multiple times this year and I want it to be a good win for the conference.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby GreatDaneAttorney » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:15 pm

stever20 wrote:I'm a big basketball fan. I love to analyze stuff(like you can't tell). It does bother me when folks here want to paint the AAC like they are the 15th best conference or something like that. Because that is so far away from reality it's not funny.


Agreed. I think the AAC needs UConn, Cincy, and Temple to improve, but I think it's obvious that the AAC has a much better TV and recruiting platform than the MWC, A-10, etc. and that it will always be near the top. It should nearly every year be a multi-bid league, and will likely have a few great years with a ton of bids. Didn't the MWC end up with 5 teams in the tourney just a few years ago? I'd have to think the AAC could do the same with the right conditions.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby adoraz » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:18 pm

stever20 wrote:

As far as Georgetown. This year is reminding me a LOT of 2 years ago. Tough to get behind a team that underachieves like this. Thought this year was going to be a great year but then Radford happened.


You realize you just admitted you're an awful fan right? Johnnies are terrible this year but I still go to the games and root for them.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby stever20 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:42 pm

adoraz wrote:
stever20 wrote:
adoraz wrote:Stever, once again you are completely oblivious. I never doubted how much your RPI can increase or decrease for a single game, especially for teams ranked near 100 or worse. A team in a good position, say an RPI around 30, obviously wouldn't move up 17 spots for beating a bad team.

But are you seriously bragging about a 73 RPI? Lol.

73 RPI is bad. They still have a lot of work to do. Little room for error. Outside looking in.

Get my point now?

And if they win this weekend @ Temple, they'll be in the top 50.

And you know what Butler RPI is right now? 49. And you know what it'll be after beating St John's at home this weekend. Right around 50.

So if Cincy is ahead of Butler after this weekend, does that mean Butler has little room for error then?


Every post you ever made involves if, if, if, if, then. You talk about scenarios not events.

@Temple won't be an easy win. IF they win then they're in better shape. What if they lose? Of course you'd never mention that.

Butler is in a decent position right now but nowhere near as safe as the top 3 Big East teams. The top 3 are locks and Butler has work to do. I'm confused though, how is Butler relevant to this conversation?

Personally, Stever, I WANT Cincy to do well because Big East beat up on them multiple times this year and I want it to be a good win for the conference.

Why I think Cincy is in such good shape-
look at their projected wins with the Pct:
USF 97
Tulane 93
ECU 92
Memphis 78
@ ECU 77
@ UCF 75
UConn 68
Temple 60
SMU 50
projected losses:
@ UConn 37%
@ Houston 49%
@ Memphis 50%
@ Tulsa 50%

they could have a lot go wrong for them an still be in really good shape. The odds are pretty darn good in the 7 games that they have less than a 75% chance of winning that they'll go 3-4. Even if they lose @ Temple, they would still need to go 3-3 in those 6 games.

Butler's relevant because folks on here want to espouse that they are a lock right now, when that's not the case. I made the comment that the odds of the AAC getting only 1 team in are about the same as Big East only getting 3 teams in. In both cases, a lot would have to go wrong. But folks want to act like that's just not possible for the Big East, but likely for the AAC.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby DanofXav76 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:45 pm

When I ask my UC friends if they can name all of the schools in their league I always get the same sheepish smile and a shake of the head "no". The AAC to me is such a random mishmash of oddball schools with not much in common. With some schools having little to no basketball tradition, history or pedigree it just doesn't generate much excitement or buzz, even to UC fans.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby stever20 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:52 pm

DanofXav76 wrote:When I ask my UC friends if they can name all of the schools in their league I always get the same sheepish smile and a shake of the head "no". The AAC to me is such a random mishmash of oddball schools with not much in common. With some schools having little to no basketball tradition, history or pedigree it just doesn't generate much excitement or buzz, even to UC friends.

The thing now is though IMO, you're going to find Cincy and UConn taking much more of a leadership role. Think it's very possible you see them dropping to 16 conference games(even if they expand to 12). That would mitigate a lot of the bad RPI games. You'll still have like this year 4 of them- but you know what, so do teams in the Big East this year with DePaul and St John's.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby NovaBall » Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:57 pm

Conference of the Americans suck.

Temple had 4,500 fans at their game on Saturday, and 5,300 fans for their home opener the Saturday before. That's paid attendance, not actual attendance, in a building that holds over 10K. They are below 5,000 fans on average for their weekend home conference games, for a school with over 30,000 students. That is so bad.

Temple was better off in the Atlantic 10. At least then they had rivalry games in January and February that drew fans.
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Re: Conference of the Americas......one-bid

Postby stever20 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:04 pm

NovaBall wrote:Conference of the Americans suck.

Temple had 4,500 fans at their game on Saturday, and 5,300 fans for their home opener the Saturday before. That's paid attendance, not actual attendance, in a building that holds over 10K. They are below 5,000 fans on average for their weekend home conference games, for a school with over 30,000 students. That is so bad.

Temple was better off in the Atlantic 10. At least then they had rivalry games in January and February that drew fans.

Was Temple back in session yet? I know one of the games they certainly weren't(Jan 2).
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