Conference realignment discussion - v. 2015

[gtmoBlue]

Good post JPSchmack. The Dude is just arguing to argue (for the status quo) as he is well aware that:

a) a conference is defined by the number of NCAA bids received.
b) Teams are defined by how well/poorly they perform in the NCAA's.

There is no magic in a 10 team league. Dbl round robin is not an ideal. A 10 team league is leaving NCAA money - a minimum of $2-3 Million annually (another $100-300K per school), on the table for the other leagues to snatch up. Both Butler and X were invited into this league based on their NCAA resumes. How little creighton got in is still a mystery, lol.

and DudeAnon... as you are well aware as an Xavier fan, NCAA Bids ARE the end all-be all, as bids are worth 1.5 mill (minimum) or so over their 6 year payoff life. The more bids the bigger the annual payoff to the conference and to our individual teams. In a 10 team league one can expect 4-6 bids per year with 4 or 5 being the norm, 6 being the max. outlier. In a 12 team league as pointed out by JP 5-8 bids are the range, with 6 or 7 being the norm, and 8 being the outlier. Simple math = more dinar per school.

http://virginiatech.sportswar.com/free- ... -and-outs/
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files ... 20Plan.pdf Pgs 7-10

2013-14, 4 bids - 4 games/4 units (@$250,100.00) $6,002,400.00 ($100,040.00/school per year over 6 years)
2014-15, 6 bids - 7 games/7 units $10,504,200.00 ($175,070.00/scholl per yr over 6 yrs)
2015-16, 5 bids - 5 games/5 units $7,503,000.00 - a minimum of 5 ($125,050.00 school per yr over 6 yrs)


12 Tm 2015-16 - 6 bids 6 games/6 units (min) $9,003,600.00 ($125,050.00/mimimum per school per yr over 6 yrs)
2015-16 - 7 bids 7 games/7 units (min) $10,504,200.00 ($145,891.67/minimum per school per yr over 6 yrs)
2015-16 - 8 bids 8 games/8 units (min) $12,004,800.00 ($166,733.33/minimum per school per yr over 6 yrs)

As a Basketball 1st league, it is not wise to leave NCAA monies on the table.
Also when ND or Gonzaga, along with BC or Holy Cross join the league, they will add to the middle and bottom - not necessarily the top of the league. More is better both from a basketball perspective and a fiscal perspective. The tv contract can be amended with the addition of content.

[Schickrateez]

For everyone saying the Big East "must" expand, what is the potential danger in not expanding? For the football conferences, the danger is there for 2 conferences, the ACC and the Big 12 which are always the ones rumored to be targets for raiding. If they do get raided, than their status as a major conference and ability to keep everyone together is in question. The Big East is not a likely target to be raided. Sure, a conference could raid a school from the Big East, but that would be a stretch given the lack of major football. So, as it stands, the Big East is one of the most secure conferences out there. There is no need to expand for survival. At the moment, everyone involved with the Big East (which are the only opinions that matter) is happy with the way things are. For the Big East expansion could be seen as a luxury, not a necessity. I personally don't see expansion happening until it becomes a necessity.

[gtmoBlue]

It is not a "must expand" or expand for survival modality. It is not about me and you, not about fanbases and rivalries, not about what the AD and coaches think, and sometimes these machinations are counter to what a given conference is built upon.

It is expansion for the only thing that "floats the boat" for the Presidents of our great universities: MONEY.
Remember, good people...University Presidents and money are running the show in these expansion exercises, not athletic departments. Conference heads do what they are paid to do by their member universities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll3uipTO-4A

[Schickrateez]

Expansion in no way guarantees more $. Maybe having an extra team in the league gets you more tournament credits, maybe it doesn't. What an extra team in the league is guaranteed to do is dilute everyone else's share of the tournament credits. So, if the Big East adds two more teams, but doesn't send anymore teams to the tournament than the league does on average now, than the pie is the same size, just cut into more slices.

[DudeAnon]

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[gtmoBlue]

The DudeAnon with blinders...lol

[DudeAnon]

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[LMS]

Can't wait to share all those tasty NCAA credits that Creighton is bringing in.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... team1/5734

A Nova fan pissing on Creighton's NCAA success? Last year notwithstanding, we played in the previous 3 tourneys and won one game in each. So 6 total NCAA units to our conference.

6 units in 4 years
or
2 units during our Big East membership

Is that really any different than Nova? And how many teams have contributed more to the Big East since realignment occurred?

[BEwannabe]

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Just because I argue in favor of something doesn't mean it is because its the status quo. You don't think all the bigger conferences wish they could trim the fat? Ask Dayton how they like playing Fordham and Duquesne every year. Its a lose-lose.

You're being kind to the Dumpster Fire by naming only 2 but while I cringe with Dukes and Rams this year it's LaSalle and SLU with George Mason a close 3rd efforting to break 200rpi.