JPSchmack wrote:#4 - The directional Florida's are in top 35 markets, which still makes them 2nd/3rd banana behind programs like UF, FSU, Miami... but a lot of that has to do with the fact that it's been Rice and Tulsa coming to town. What happens when it's Texas & Oklahoma instead? Conference realignment is a two-way street.
The other thing it does is open up Florida as recruiting territory when the Big XII can promise 1-3 games every four years to recruits in Florida (a state that produces 14% of FBS scholarship football players).
Cincinnati is a given if they expand. The question of who's the 12th is what's up for discussion. BYU stretches west, and the Big XII would rather look east; has all kinds of hassles with scheduling due to their non-Sundays rule, there's no travel partner for them (Iowa State by default).
NJRedman wrote:BEwannabe wrote:with Oklahoma easily making the National Championship I believe conference realignment based on that premise is gone. In my estimation , the force that will drive any further movement is the ability to conduct a huge revenue generating conference championship game. The B1G, I believe has a legitimate claim arguing some formula (division vs division) must be in place to conduct a championship game.
The extra conference game as Ohio State proved last year can make a difference in the process so I'm not completely dismissing what impact winning a conference championship game especially in convincing fashion. But other outcomes are also present, Oklahoma did not play in a conf championship game and earned a spot and losing in a conference championship will knock you out of contention. But always present in a conference championship scenario is a big payday for the leagues and networks.
Therefore I believe the conversation about how a league can have a conference championship is key. Will B1G, PAC12 and SEC allow ACC and Big12 to make up their own rules or will they be forced to comply with a like formula.
So I don't think the 4x16 discussion has anything to do with it but I do think there are other factors in play. I know the B1G best and I think the current East - West divisional make ups have issues especially moving forward with Ohio St, Michigan St and Michigan very much looking like the major football players. And 2 of those major players (Ohio St and Michigan) in any direction B1G considers (those 2 are why Rutgers and Maryland are even in the B1G).
So I think there are way more things driving realignment and certainly not a simplistic 4x16 direction.
Um...you MIGHT want to go back and check on that info.
Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:Updated numbers for the ‘usual suspects’:
Today’s RPI Rankings
9 - Dayton (11-2) • SOS Rank # 8
44 - Gonzaga (11-3) • SOS Rank # 71
74 - Wichita State (7-5) • SOS Rank # 69
91 - Richmond (8-6) • SOS Rank # 50
95 - Connecticut (10-4) • SOS Rank # 138
104 - Virginia Commonwealth (10-5) • SOS Rank # 130
253 - Saint Louis (5-8) • SOS Rank # 173
Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:Updated numbers for the ‘usual suspects’:
9 - Dayton (11-2) • SOS Rank # 8
44 - Gonzaga (11-3) • SOS Rank # 71
74 - Wichita State (7-5) • SOS Rank # 69
91 - Richmond (8-6) • SOS Rank # 50
95 - Connecticut (10-4) • SOS Rank # 138
104 - Virginia Commonwealth (10-5) • SOS Rank # 130
253 - Saint Louis (5-8) • SOS Rank # 173
Masterofreality wrote:There are no "suspects". You lost by 29 to Xavier. Keep dreaming. League isn't expanding.
notkirkcameron wrote:You've hit on something by noting that UCF/USF are, at best, 4th banana in Florida behind the Canes, Noles, and Gators. What that means is that the strength of their "Top 35" markets is diluted.
So looking at Tampa and Orlando through a similar lens, let's be generous and say that UCF and USF each command a quarter of their market, with UF/FSU/UM taking the rest (and the rival Directional Florida taking none). It's admittedly an imperfect metric, but, if anything, such an estimate probably overestimates the level of support for each program in each market.
In contrast, BYU is the top banana in Salt Lake City (along with U of Utah), which should be noted, is also a "Top 35" market, but whose only other "big time" sports options are the Jazz and Real Salt Lake. If the Big 12 needs to expand, and BYU wants to come under their umbrella, that deal will be consummated rapidly.
Masterofreality wrote:Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:Updated numbers for the ‘usual suspects’:
Today’s RPI Rankings
9 - Dayton (11-2) • SOS Rank # 8
44 - Gonzaga (11-3) • SOS Rank # 71
74 - Wichita State (7-5) • SOS Rank # 69
91 - Richmond (8-6) • SOS Rank # 50
95 - Connecticut (10-4) • SOS Rank # 138
104 - Virginia Commonwealth (10-5) • SOS Rank # 130
253 - Saint Louis (5-8) • SOS Rank # 173
There are no "suspects". You lost by 29 to Xavier. Keep dreaming. League isn't expanding.
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