pki1998 wrote:NJRedman wrote: I bet there are more Ohio State fans in Cincy than X fans, or more maryland fans in DC than GTown or PSU fans in Philly than Nova fans. It doesn't matter when the TV negotiations start, it gets us into another top 25 TV market.
I can't speak for the number of Maryland Fans in DC, or Penn State fans in Philly, but this does not hold true in Cincinnati. On the Ohio side of the river there are many more UC and XU fans than OSU fans. On the Kentucky side of the river there are more UK Fans. In fact in the Cincinnati area, OSU is probably the fifth most popular college basketball team behind (Cincinnati, UK, Xavier, and Indiana). Miami (OH) and UD probably have about the same number of fans in Greater Cincinnati.
NJRedman wrote:
The teams in the order I think the Presidents would like to invite realistically:
1. Saint Louis
2. Dayton
3. Richmond
4. Davidson
booyah wrote:
Current Candidates:
1. Saint Louis
2. Dayton
3. Richmond
4. Davidson
jaxalum wrote:
I hear that if we expand we should add two middle of the road mid major teams out of a "decent" mid major conference (Dayton, St. Louis).
St. Louis isn’t much of a college basketball market to begin with. While St. Louis University has had some nice seasons recently, that follows a drought in which the Billikens didn’t make the NCAA event for 11 consecutive seasons. And while Missouri and Illinois draw big interest in St. Louis for their annual “Braggin’ Rights” matchup, the ratings these teams draw locally the rest of the time unless they are having standout seasons generally isn’t strong.
Nielsen says 7 % of St. Louis area homes with a TV tuned in, on average, to the first four days of coverage that was spread across CBS, TNT, TBS and truTV.
Louisville was the nation’s top-rated market for the tourney. Nielsen said 22.8 % of TV households there were tuning in through last weekend.
Dayton was second (17.3 %) and Cincinnati was third (15.4 %), and also benefited by having two in-town schools (Xavier and Cincinnati) in the field.
AACguy wrote:You could make a pretty good case why Dayton and SLU should be added to the AAC as non-football members similar to those arguing for or against VCU and Wichita.
Hoya Hoya Hoya wrote:AACguy wrote:You could make a pretty good case why Dayton and SLU should be added to the AAC as non-football members similar to those arguing for or against VCU and Wichita.
Not trying to be a dick but straight up laughed in my cube just now
Moving from the A10 to AAC is a lateral move at best. No stability with top teams wanting out.
AACguy wrote:Hoya Hoya Hoya wrote:AACguy wrote:You could make a pretty good case why Dayton and SLU should be added to the AAC as non-football members similar to those arguing for or against VCU and Wichita.
Not trying to be a dick but straight up laughed in my cube just now
Moving from the A10 to AAC is a lateral move at best. No stability with top teams wanting out.
Which is sort of my point. It's clear that the Big East doesn't want SLU or Dayton. If they and VCU are considered "the top teams" in the A10 how is there any stability in that league either? They all want to join the Big East and it ain't happening. Either they need to let go of that dream or if they are serious about wanting to play elsewhere, look at options like the AAC. Selfishly, I think if we added a couple of good hoops schools we could be a pretty awesome league.
Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:NJRedman wrote:
The teams in the order I think the Presidents would like to invite realistically:
1. Saint Louis
2. Dayton
3. Richmond
4. Davidsonbooyah wrote:
Current Candidates:
1. Saint Louis
2. Dayton
3. Richmond
4. Davidsonjaxalum wrote:
I hear that if we expand we should add two middle of the road mid major teams out of a "decent" mid major conference (Dayton, St. Louis).
While Dayton and Saint Louis appear to be the best “institutional fits” for possible future Big East expansion, their basketball programs are on diverging trajectories.
Dayton has fared quite well since the 10-team Big East was established, going 5-2 in the last two NCAA Tournaments, and are predicted by some to win the Atlantic 10 in 2015-16. Last night, Joel Welser picked Dayton to finish # 38 and win the Atlantic 10, despite having no seniors on the team. Consequently, Dayton should be favoured to win the Atlantic 10 in 2016-17 as well.
On the other hand, Saint Louis has faltered since the players recruited and trained by Rick Majerus graduated. The Billikens finished in 14th place in the Atlantic 10 last year, and are not predicted to be a Top 150 team this season. Saint Louis fared rather poorly prior to Rick Majerus’ arrival.
Dayton - Final RPI Rankings
2007-08 ==> 28
2008-09 ==> 26
2009-10 ==> 35
2010-11 ==> 79
2011-12 ==> 91
2012-13 ==> 115
2013-14 ==> 33
2014-15 ==> 29
Saint Louis - Final RPI Rankings
2007-08 ==> 135
2008-09 ==> 130
2009-10 ==> 81
2010-11 ==> 184
2011-12 ==> 28
2012-13 ==> 17
2013-14 ==> 24
2014-15 ==> 273
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LAST EIGHT SEASONS: Average RPI Ranking – Team (Best RPI Ranking, Worst RPI Ranking)
54.5 - Dayton (26, 115)
109.0 - Saint Louis (17, 273)
In the last eight seasons, Dayton has five Top 35 finishes and one season worse than RPI 100.
In the last eight seasons, Saint Louis has three Top 35 finishes and four seasons worse than RPI 100.
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Two-year Average RPI Ranking - Team - 2014 Final RPI Ranking - 2015 Final RPI Ranking
7 - Villanova - 8 - 6
31 - Dayton - 33 - 29
35 - Providence - 46 - 25
42 - Xavier - 56 - 28
49 - Georgetown - 75 - 24
66 - St. John's - 82 - 50
87 - Creighton - 17 - 157
92 - Butler - 154 - 30
119 - Marquette - 94 - 145
120 - Seton Hall - 136 - 105
149 - Saint Louis - 24 - 273
177 - DePaul - 157 - 197
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RPI Breakdown: 2014-15 Saint Louis Billikens (CBS Sports)
0-12 vs. RPI Top 100 teams
3-2 vs. RPI #101 to RPI #200 teams
5-7 vs. RPI #201 to RPI #300 teams
Jim Crews is clearly on the hot seat.
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Dayton also has a considerable advantage over Saint Louis (and other possible expansion candidates) in terms of fan support, TV viewership ratings, and past history with present Big East teams.
In 2015-16, the Flyers had an average home attendance of 12,000+ per game for the 16th consecutive season, while the Billikens average around 7,000 per game.
St. Louis 25th in NCAA Tourney Ratings STL Today - March 26, 2015St. Louis isn’t much of a college basketball market to begin with. While St. Louis University has had some nice seasons recently, that follows a drought in which the Billikens didn’t make the NCAA event for 11 consecutive seasons. And while Missouri and Illinois draw big interest in St. Louis for their annual “Braggin’ Rights” matchup, the ratings these teams draw locally the rest of the time unless they are having standout seasons generally isn’t strong.
Nielsen says 7 % of St. Louis area homes with a TV tuned in, on average, to the first four days of coverage that was spread across CBS, TNT, TBS and truTV.
Louisville was the nation’s top-rated market for the tourney. Nielsen said 22.8 % of TV households there were tuning in through last weekend.
Dayton was second (17.3 %) and Cincinnati was third (15.4 %), and also benefited by having two in-town schools (Xavier and Cincinnati) in the field.
And finally, Dayton has played a total of 332 games against the 10 Big East teams – by far the most of any possible expansion candidate.
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The purpose of my lengthy post is to provide relevant verifiable information – not to annoy the BE fans who dislike Dayton.
Like most on this board, I believe that it is in the best interests of the Big East to remain at 10 teams for the foreseeable future.
I don’t see the BE ever inviting a public school to join the conference, and I don’t see Gonzaga ever being interested in joining an East Coast/Midwest conference (due to travel time and expense). That pretty much leaves Dayton, Saint Louis, and Richmond in the running for possible expansion, and at the present time, neither Saint Louis nor Richmond would add value to the Big East brand.
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