How Hot Are Our Coaches Seats?

[NJRedman]

Guess what, your coach under achieved the last two years. Not shit talking, fact staying. Now go on about how we suck, that's fine. You're still underachievers.

So let's talk about facts since you brought it up.

Nova's record in the past 2 years is 62-8 (89% winning pct.). Their record in conference is 32-4 (also 89% winning pct.) with two regular season championships and a BET championship. I believe they were picked to finish in 4th in that first year. There are 6 conf teams that have not yet beaten Nova since the new conference was formed. 6 out of 9, including SJU. They have been ranked in the Top 5 both of the last two years, and no other BE teams have earned more tourney credits than Nova (directly putting $ in SJU's pockets--you're welcome.) So run by us all again how Nova should be feeling that they are the underachievers in the conference?

Now SJU on the other hand is probably the poster child for long term underachievement. In year one of the conference you had a future NBA player in Sampson, perhaps the best 2 guard in the league in Harrison, the best rim protector in the country in Obekpa, one of the most all-around, do-everything, gifted athletes on the wing in Pointer and one of the top 3-4 PG's coming out of HS in Jordan. Result? 6 games behind Nova in the conf standings, a first round BET loss on your home court when a win would have gotten you in the tourney, another first round exit in the NIT, on your home court, as a 1 seed. Year 2? Mediocre league record again--6 games behind Nova in the standings yet again, in a season that included a 37 point loss to the team that you feel underachieved. They squeak into the tourney only to lose by double digits in a toss up 8/9 game.

And we're the underachievers? Exhibit A of the delusion of SJU Nation...

No, we were never supposed to do anything special. Those guys you listed were literally all we had. We had no bench. You guys on the other hand getting #1 seeds and not getting out of the first week is underachieving. Face it, you guys choke. That's an actual fact.

You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. Not just my Johnnies but Marquette is reloading, X and Butler are seeing the benefits of big east recruiting and Gtown is always dangerous. Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.

Your Philly insecurity is out there for all to see. No one likes a sore winner.

[GumbyDamnit!]

No, we were never supposed to do anything special. Those guys you listed were literally all we had. We had no bench. You guys on the other hand getting #1 seeds and not getting out of the first week is underachieving. Face it, you guys choke. That's an actual fact.

You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. Not just my Johnnies but Marquette is reloading, X and Butler are seeing the benefits of big east recruiting and Gtown is always dangerous. Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.

Your Philly insecurity is out there for all to see. No one likes a sore winner.

THIS IS F'ING PRICELESS!!!!

1). "We were never supposed to do anything special."

2013-14 Pre-season coaches poll (1st place votes in parenthesis):
Men's Big East Preseason Poll
Marquette (5) - 74
Georgetown (2) - 70
Creighton (1) - 61
Villanova - 58
St. John's (2) - 56
Providence - 41
Xavier - 38
Seton Hall - 20
Butler - 19
DePaul - 13

You had the same expectations as Nova. Actually two coaches thought you guys would win the league.

Your comment though captures perfectly the fans' expectations of your Johnnies. What a loser mentality. You had a floor full of talented players and still your low expectations were met. Miss the tourney and lose in the first round of the NIT. Keep aiming for the stars Redmen. I keep forgetting that you guys are happy if you just make the tourney. Most of the other programs in this conference are expected to carry the load, they don't wait for their conference mates to do all of the work. Here's the thing champ... For this conference to be successful EVERY program needs to carry it's own weight. We don't need teams who wait for others to do the job for them. It can't always just be the same teams. We know who they are: Nova, G'town, Marq., X, Butler, Prov., CU. SJU HAS NOT WON A TOURNMENT GAME SINCE 2000. 15 seasons have passed since your last win. Wow. Talk about irrelevance. In that span Nova has won 14 tourney games, including a run to the FF. So you really have the audacity to come on here and question Nova's tournament resume'.

2). You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. God I hope so. We need multiple teams in the Top 25, not just one. And we need multiple teams getting Top 4 seeds, not just one. But we've been "waiting for SJU to catch up" for 15 years and it hasn't happened. What makes you think it'll happen any time soon?

3). Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.
Um...Cooley and Providence are 0 for their last 5 against us? When did we "choke" to them, again?

It seems clear to me NJRedman, aka Lavinwood, or whomever you care to be called, that you embody your team well. A lot of talk and hype but absolutely no action. I hope you enjoy another year of low expectations. What do you think the over/under for games below Nova that you guys finish this year? I'm thinking 8-10 minimum. Do you want to know what's sad? Rooting for a team that has no hope to do anything of note anytime soon.

[Westbrook#36]

St. John's fans, holylandofhoops unintentional comedy gold mine. A word of advice, quit skipping your meds. You guys are the very definition of insecurity, underachieving, and delusion. St. John's underachieving since 1991.

[Westbrook#36]

St John's definitely under-achieved in the regular season....

However- that doesn't mean that Nova didn't underachieve in the tourney. To have a 2 and 1 seed- and not advance out of the 1st weekend- there's no way to dismiss that isn't underachieving themselves.

Let's say this- to casual fans- Nova has underachieved WAY more than St John's(or frankly any other Big East school) the last 2 years. Yes the 62-8 record looks wonderful. But College Basketball is primarily what have you done in March, and there's no way to say that Nova hasn't underachieved in March. Nova has to mean more in March than just the piccolo girl.

Oh, look aac homer stever checking in on the subject. To narrow minded fans, maybe Nova has, in your words, "WAY" underachieved more than St. John's, but then again they're narrow minded. Exactly who is your make believe BE team again?, and what have they achieved the last 2 years?

[GumbyDamnit!]

St John's definitely under-achieved in the regular season....

However- that doesn't mean that Nova didn't underachieve in the tourney. To have a 2 and 1 seed- and not advance out of the 1st weekend- there's no way to dismiss that isn't underachieving themselves.

Let's say this- to casual fans- Nova has underachieved WAY more than St John's(or frankly any other Big East school) the last 2 years. Yes the 62-8 record looks wonderful. But College Basketball is primarily what have you done in March, and there's no way to say that Nova hasn't underachieved in March. Nova has to mean more in March than just the piccolo girl.

Nova fans will be the first to tell you that we expect better results in the tourney. We consider ourselves an elite program; we strive for SW16's and E8's and FF when the season starts. We had expectations for a FF run; it didn't turn out as we had hoped. That's what happens in the tourney sometimes. Fans of X, G'town, Marq, Butler I imagine also understand because we've all been there before. We understand that it is not always easy. Sometimes you run into a team that is peaking at the right time (UCONN did actually end up winning the NC BTW), and sometimes you lay an egg (see Duke vs. Mercer, Lehigh, etc., or SJU vs. SD St.) or a team that is a bad matchup (everyone forgets that last year NC State also beat: Duke, UNC & L'ville and lost in the last possession to both VA and ND).

But for a fan of another program (NJRedman) or of another conference altogether (Stever) to come on here and try to tarnish the one program that has held up it's end of the bargain for the first two years of this conference--while your own team has contributed almost nothing--we Nova fans are going to defend ourselves, our program and our coach.



Son, we play a game that has tremendous competition, and that competition has to be faced with programs that win. Who's gonna do it? You, St. Johns? We have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for 3rd round exits, and you curse the Wildcats. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know -- that Nova's losing early in the tourney, while tragic, still brought the conference exposure; and while losing to the ACC and AAC, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, still brought exposure to the BE.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at Johnnies parties, you want us on that court -- you need us on that court.
We use words like "Big East Champions" "RPI," "Protected Seed." We use these words as the backbone of a season spent defending something. You use them as a punch line, while waiting for your NIT invite.
We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a fan who rises and sleeps under the exposure and revenue that we provide and then questions the manner in which we provide it.
We'd rather have you just say thank you, and be on your way... otherwise pick up a #1 or #2 seed on your own, and man the post. Either way, we don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to! "

[NJRedman]

No, we were never supposed to do anything special. Those guys you listed were literally all we had. We had no bench. You guys on the other hand getting #1 seeds and not getting out of the first week is underachieving. Face it, you guys choke. That's an actual fact.

You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. Not just my Johnnies but Marquette is reloading, X and Butler are seeing the benefits of big east recruiting and Gtown is always dangerous. Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.

Your Philly insecurity is out there for all to see. No one likes a sore winner.

THIS IS F'ING PRICELESS!!!!

1). "We were never supposed to do anything special."

2013-14 Pre-season coaches poll (1st place votes in parenthesis):
Men's Big East Preseason Poll
Marquette (5) - 74
Georgetown (2) - 70
Creighton (1) - 61
Villanova - 58
St. John's (2) - 56
Providence - 41
Xavier - 38
Seton Hall - 20
Butler - 19
DePaul - 13

You had the same expectations as Nova. Actually two coaches thought you guys would win the league.

Your comment though captures perfectly the fans' expectations of your Johnnies. What a loser mentality. You had a floor full of talented players and still your low expectations were met. Miss the tourney and lose in the first round of the NIT. Keep aiming for the stars Redmen. I keep forgetting that you guys are happy if you just make the tourney. Most of the other programs in this conference are expected to carry the load, they don't wait for their conference mates to do all of the work. Here's the thing champ... For this conference to be successful EVERY program needs to carry it's own weight. We don't need teams who wait for others to do the job for them. It can't always just be the same teams. We know who they are: Nova, G'town, Marq., X, Butler, Prov., CU. SJU HAS NOT WON A TOURNMENT GAME SINCE 2000. 15 seasons have passed since your last win. Wow. Talk about irrelevance. In that span Nova has won 14 tourney games, including a run to the FF. So you really have the audacity to come on here and question Nova's tournament resume'.

2). You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. God I hope so. We need multiple teams in the Top 25, not just one. And we need multiple teams getting Top 4 seeds, not just one. But we've been "waiting for SJU to catch up" for 15 years and it hasn't happened. What makes you think it'll happen any time soon?

3). Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.
Um...Cooley and Providence are 0 for their last 5 against us? When did we "choke" to them, again?

It seems clear to me NJRedman, aka Lavinwood, or whomever you care to be called, that you embody your team well. A lot of talk and hype but absolutely no action. I hope you enjoy another year of low expectations. What do you think the over/under for games below Nova that you guys finish this year? I'm thinking 8-10 minimum. Do you want to know what's sad? Rooting for a team that has no hope to do anything of note anytime soon.

We didn't go to the nit last year moron, we went dancing but lost to a higher seeded team. Oh and I was wrong you guys choked to Seton Hall not Providebce. My bad! That's even worse.

Now I'm Lavinwood?

Uh new coach and whole new team and you expect us to be at the top is the conference? But hey keep bashing us because you're a bitch who overreacted like a child over a precieved slight.

I hope you enjoy another year of chocking in the first weekend and making the conference look bad.

[stever20]

St John's definitely under-achieved in the regular season....

However- that doesn't mean that Nova didn't underachieve in the tourney. To have a 2 and 1 seed- and not advance out of the 1st weekend- there's no way to dismiss that isn't underachieving themselves.

Let's say this- to casual fans- Nova has underachieved WAY more than St John's(or frankly any other Big East school) the last 2 years. Yes the 62-8 record looks wonderful. But College Basketball is primarily what have you done in March, and there's no way to say that Nova hasn't underachieved in March. Nova has to mean more in March than just the piccolo girl.

Oh, look aac homer stever checking in on the subject. To narrow minded fans, maybe Nova has, in your words, "WAY" underachieved more than St. John's, but then again they're narrow minded. Exactly who is your make believe BE team again?, and what have they achieved the last 2 years?

Gotta love Nova fans who think the regular season is the only thing that matters. Sorry- but you go look at any preview this year and I guarantee you the NCAA problems that Nova has had the last 2 years will be on it. Most likely in the first paragraph of the preview.

I mean, look at this SB Nation preview of the conference:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb ... -marquette
1. Villanova - 'Nova will once again have one of the best backcourts in the country, but everyone associated with the program is fully aware of the stigma that only success in the NCAA Tournament will shed.

the word but is going to be in everything you see about Nova this year. And the thing is Jay Wright knows it.

[NJRedman]

St John's definitely under-achieved in the regular season....

However- that doesn't mean that Nova didn't underachieve in the tourney. To have a 2 and 1 seed- and not advance out of the 1st weekend- there's no way to dismiss that isn't underachieving themselves.

Let's say this- to casual fans- Nova has underachieved WAY more than St John's(or frankly any other Big East school) the last 2 years. Yes the 62-8 record looks wonderful. But College Basketball is primarily what have you done in March, and there's no way to say that Nova hasn't underachieved in March. Nova has to mean more in March than just the piccolo girl.

Nova fans will be the first to tell you that we expect better results in the tourney. We consider ourselves an elite program; we strive for SW16's and E8's and FF when the season starts. We had expectations for a FF run; it didn't turn out as we had hoped. That's what happens in the tourney sometimes. Fans of X, G'town, Marq, Butler I imagine also understand because we've all been there before. We understand that it is not always easy. Sometimes you run into a team that is peaking at the right time (UCONN did actually end up winning the NC BTW), and sometimes you lay an egg (see Duke vs. Mercer, Lehigh, etc., or SJU vs. SD St.) or a team that is a bad matchup (everyone forgets that last year NC State also beat: Duke, UNC & L'ville and lost in the last possession to both VA and ND).

But for a fan of another program (NJRedman) or of another conference altogether (Stever) to come on here and try to tarnish the one program that has held up it's end of the bargain for the first two years of this conference--while your own team has contributed almost nothing--we Nova fans are going to defend ourselves, our program and our coach.



Son, we play a game that has tremendous competition, and that competition has to be faced with programs that win. Who's gonna do it? You, St. Johns? We have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for 3rd round exits, and you curse the Wildcats. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know -- that Nova's losing early in the tourney, while tragic, still brought the conference exposure; and while losing to the ACC and AAC, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, still brought exposure to the BE.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at Johnnies parties, you want us on that court -- you need us on that court.
We use words like "Big East Champions" "RPI," "Protected Seed." We use these words as the backbone of a season spent defending something. You use them as a punch line, while waiting for your NIT invite.
We have neither the time nor the inclination to explain ourselves to a fan who rises and sleeps under the exposure and revenue that we provide and then questions the manner in which we provide it.
We'd rather have you just say thank you, and be on your way... otherwise pick up a #1 or #2 seed on your own, and man the post. Either way, we don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to! "

Now losing to SD St who was seeded ahead of us is laying an egg but a #1 seed losing in the first weekend is excusable? You're a joke, f---ing clown shoes.

No you haven't held up your end of the bargain! You've dropped the banner! You gave ammunition to our enemies! f--- you and your holier than thou bullsh--. It's okay when you under perform but when someone else does oh you guys suck!

All of this because I said Jay Wrights seat is cold. If you can't handle that then message boards aren't for you son. Now go run along to a Nova board where no one will say abythingbthatbiffebds your precious sense abilities.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Stever, I couldn't care less about your opinions. You are not a fan of the BE. You have made that abundantly clear. I at least have respect for the fans of the other programs in this league--even when I think they are way off base. You on the other hand play the role of expectations manager, devil's advocate and occasional troll well. But you might as well just admit that's why your here instead of acting like you are a fan of G'town. I have no respect for you because you can't be honest with anyone. You supply your subtle digs of anything BE (V'nova now included) and defend the AAC at every turn. Then you deny that's what you are doing. Your act is old.

[ChestRockwell85]

Guess what, your coach under achieved the last two years. Not shit talking, fact staying. Now go on about how we suck, that's fine. You're still underachievers.

So let's talk about facts since you brought it up.

Nova's record in the past 2 years is 62-8 (89% winning pct.). Their record in conference is 32-4 (also 89% winning pct.) with two regular season championships and a BET championship. I believe they were picked to finish in 4th in that first year. There are 6 conf teams that have not yet beaten Nova since the new conference was formed. 6 out of 9, including SJU. They have been ranked in the Top 5 both of the last two years, and no other BE teams have earned more tourney credits than Nova (directly putting $ in SJU's pockets--you're welcome.) So run by us all again how Nova should be feeling that they are the underachievers in the conference?

Now SJU on the other hand is probably the poster child for long term underachievement. In year one of the conference you had a future NBA player in Sampson, perhaps the best 2 guard in the league in Harrison, the best rim protector in the country in Obekpa, one of the most all-around, do-everything, gifted athletes on the wing in Pointer and one of the top 3-4 PG's coming out of HS in Jordan. Result? 6 games behind Nova in the conf standings, a first round BET loss on your home court when a win would have gotten you in the tourney, another first round exit in the NIT, on your home court, as a 1 seed. Year 2? Mediocre league record again--6 games behind Nova in the standings yet again, in a season that included a 37 point loss to the team that you feel underachieved. They squeak into the tourney only to lose by double digits in a toss up 8/9 game.

And we're the underachievers? Exhibit A of the delusion of SJU Nation...

No, we were never supposed to do anything special. Those guys you listed were literally all we had. We had no bench. You guys on the other hand getting #1 seeds and not getting out of the first week is underachieving. Face it, you guys choke. That's an actual fact.

You better enjoy being on top while you can, because everyone is starting to catch up. Not just my Johnnies but Marquette is reloading, X and Butler are seeing the benefits of big east recruiting and Gtown is always dangerous. Hell if Cooley could ever get a full roster at Providence (remember them? Another team you choked against) they could win the reg season.

Your Philly insecurity is out there for all to see. No one likes a sore winner.

First off, Villanova attracts kids from every state in the country, it isn't a commuter school like St. John's, so stop with the Philly insecurity nonsense. I am from New York.

Secondly, "You better enjoy being on top while you can" just proves how delusional you are. Have you seen our recruiting lately? We will be a Top 15 team this year, and if Brunson stays, we will be a Top 15 team next year. No doubt teams are starting to do better in recruiting but Villanova will not miss the dance for the foreseeable future.

Keep on trying to somehow even compare what Villanova has done over the past decade plus, and what St. John's has done. IT IS ADORABLE. Again, remember, last 10 to 15 years, it is no longer 1986. You St. John's fans really have a hard time dealing with the fact that the view of St. John's basketball has declined significantly over the past 15 years.