sheg wrote:There's so much hyperbole on here that it's positively entertaining. You don't like a certain team's fans? Who cares (because the decision makers don't)? So here's some facts.
Assume for a minute that the decision makers put you in charge of expansion. They tell you that two members will be added in 2016-7 no matter what. You have no other information to go on than a 5-year Kenpom ranking average. They tell you with certainty that the new members MUST be private and in the footprint.
(5 year Kenpom averages. STDEV is a measure of consistency, a lower number means more consistent. You have no other information to go on. Existing BE programs provided for comparison purposes.)
Pick two:
Georgetown 31 STDEV 33
Villanova 37 STDEV 23
Xavier 49 STDEV 23
Creighton 51 STDEV 29
Marquette 52 STDEV 35
Butler 61 STDEV 44
Team E 62 STDEV 34
Providence 72 STDEV 26
Team B 78 STDEV 71
St. John's 81 STDEV 44
Seton Hall 88 STDEV 28
Team D 91 STDEV 48
Team A 99 STDEV 68
Team F 106 STDEV 82
DePaul 175 STDEV 59
Team C 230 STDEV 77
I'll come back tomorrow with the names of the anonymous teams so you don't have to look them up.
DudeAnon wrote:sheg wrote:There's so much hyperbole on here that it's positively entertaining. You don't like a certain team's fans? Who cares (because the decision makers don't)? So here's some facts.
Assume for a minute that the decision makers put you in charge of expansion. They tell you that two members will be added in 2016-7 no matter what. You have no other information to go on than a 5-year Kenpom ranking average. They tell you with certainty that the new members MUST be private and in the footprint.
(5 year Kenpom averages. STDEV is a measure of consistency, a lower number means more consistent. You have no other information to go on. Existing BE programs provided for comparison purposes.)
Pick two:
Georgetown 31 STDEV 33
Villanova 37 STDEV 23
Xavier 49 STDEV 23
Creighton 51 STDEV 29
Marquette 52 STDEV 35
Butler 61 STDEV 44
Team E 62 STDEV 34
Providence 72 STDEV 26
Team B 78 STDEV 71
St. John's 81 STDEV 44
Seton Hall 88 STDEV 28
Team D 91 STDEV 48
Team A 99 STDEV 68
Team F 106 STDEV 82
DePaul 175 STDEV 59
Team C 230 STDEV 77
I'll come back tomorrow with the names of the anonymous teams so you don't have to look them up.
If its "Private schools in the footprint" then its basically just UD AND SLU right? I mean, I don't know how much debate there would be to that. The debate is about schools who are outside the "private/geography" standard and how important that standard even is.
jaxalum wrote:Out of curiosity I looked up the following using New York City as the Big East HQ/"center" and used Creighton as a comparable in terms of time and travel distance:
NY to Spokane= 2566 miles/37.5 hrs
NY to Omaha= 1256 miles/19.5 hrs
I played a college sport (tennis) where it could work I believe, but I have no idea about the other olympic sports. I'm sure the powers that be have crunched the numbers endlessly to try and make this work somehow, as the Zags are far and away the best fit. Except for that whole Spokane thing. I could see why Gonzaga would jump at the chance to be in the Big East as it would be considerably more money, better exposure in and around the media capital, open up fertile recruiting grounds in the east, and they would retain their native recruiting grounds (so far away from other conference members) and become that much more attractive to area talent due to their new conference affiliation. I would love to have them in the league, I just don't know how feasible it is.
DudeAnon wrote:If its "Private schools in the footprint" then its basically just UD AND SLU right? I mean, I don't know how much debate there would be to that. The debate is about schools who are outside the "private/geography" standard and how important that standard even is.
Burrito wrote:I prefer a 10 member Big East. But if DePaul strikes out with a 3rd coach, in a few years I wouldn't mind swapping them out for someone else.
CURx wrote:While that makes some sense from a travel perspective individually, I don't think that you would be able to have every East Coast team make that weekend trip from an overall scheduling perspective. Seton Hall, Providence, Nova, G'Town, St. John's, would be included and so that requires Creighton to play at minimum 5 Thursday night games with Gonzaga benefiting from the quick turn around/travel time frame for the Saturday game. Creighton would also be locked into 5 weeknight Big East home games thus losing the potential for weekend home games against some of the higher profile Big East Teams (which is a big deal for the Top 5 crowd attended school). Now if you were to flip that and make Gonzaga a Thursday game with the stop in Omaha on Saturday then maybe you could do it; but then you have the 4 hour all day trip on Wednesday thus the crux of the argument surfaces again. But you also have to consider that if Gonzaga were added, they would likely be the 12th team, thus creating the classic two divisions of 6 with home and away games with the other 5 in your division and 3 at home and 3 away (alternating each year) with those in the other division which means of those likely 6 true East Coast teams at that point (assuming 11th team added is an East Coast team), few if any will likely be at both Creighton AND Gonzaga the same year. Thus again making the travel argument a moot point.
Burrito wrote:I prefer a 10 member Big East. But if DePaul strikes out with a 3rd coach, in a few years I wouldn't mind swapping them out for someone else.
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