DudeAnon wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:Actually Gonzaga has made the second weekend 6 times since 1999 and twice they've gone to the Elite 8.
What happens after Few leaves? Can't you say that about any school with a successful coach. Few isn't the coach who built them into a tournament team or who got them to their first Elite 8. So, the program's success isn't all about him.
The issue that has to be addressed with any program is whether they've shown the level of investment and commitment to compete at this level. IMO, Gonzaga has shown that.
I would prefer that the conference stay at 10. The only reason we're talking about this is that expansion has been an open question since the formation of the league. If the BE were to expand, who is a better candidate to maintain or even elevate the stature of the league? Who will help to build interest for TV ratings? And tournament ticket sales. If there were an obvious answer to these questions not located on the Idaho border, Gonzaga wouldn't be in the conversation.
So I misread their page. They have made it to the second weekend 5 times with 2 Elite Eights. They have not won a single NCAA tournament game without Mark Few.
jaxalum wrote:UD FAN wrote:handdownmandown wrote:I would be sympathetic to Dayton getting in, but their fans on here make me dead set against them. They have a full complement on here already and are in full blown hair trigger mode - on someone else's board. I can't imagine what life would be like on here if they were legitimately given the run of the place.
Boggles the mind, it does.
Yea, The University of Dayton is a good fit for the many, many, many reasons detailed (mostly by Bill and other NON UD FLYER FANS in the numerous posts over the past 6 months) --------but the 5-6 annoying folks posting on the holyland forums ruin it for the institution and therefore let's chose not to expand! Some of you guys/gals make me laugh! Talk about "boggling the mind" ! LOL
Jesus UDFAN, did you walk into that one with a flippant response. And yes, from a conference fans standpoint, it would suck seven different ways from Sunday if your insufferable ilk, god forbid, was invited into this conference. This board would become absolutely unreadable. I can't speak for other X fans, but I can say with some level of certainty that it's not the guys on UDs teams, or Archie, or the administration that's the sore point. I would say there is amicable indifference to real respect there. It's the egregiously knobbish fan base that's the problem. And it's absolutely NOT 4-5 posters. It's the majority. Case and point, posters here who have never been exposed to UD "fandom" find you insufferable to.
Bill Marsh wrote:DudeAnon wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:Actually Gonzaga has made the second weekend 4 times since 1999 and twice they've gone to the Elite 8.
What happens after Few leaves? Can't you say that about any school with a successful coach. Few isn't the coach who built them into a tournament team or who got them to their first Elite 8. So, the program's success isn't all about him.
The issue that has to be addressed with any program is whether they've shown the level of investment and commitment to compete at this level. IMO, Gonzaga has shown that.
I would prefer that the conference stay at 10. The only reason we're talking about this is that expansion has been an open question since the formation of the league. If the BE were to expand, who is a better candidate to maintain or even elevate the stature of the league? Who will help to build interest for TV ratings? And tournament ticket sales. If there were an obvious answer to these questions not located on the Idaho border, Gonzaga wouldn't be in the conversation.
So I misread their page. They have made it to the second weekend 5 times with 2 Elite Eights. They have not won a single NCAA tournament game without Mark Few.
Dan Monson was Mark Few's predecessor and mentor at Gonzaga. Few was Monson's assistant before Few was named head coach at Gonzaga upon Monson's resignation. Monson is the one who built the foundation for Gonzaga's WCC dynasty, positioning Few for his successful run since then.
Dan Monson took Gonzaga to the Elite 8 in 1999. Gonzaga has in fact won a few NCAA games without Mark Few.
_lh wrote:Yes, conference affiliation is far less important in college basketball than it is for college football. Memphis and Bulter, along with others have proven this time and again.
Gonzaga being on the west coast is a huge advantage for them over a school like XU for example. Gonzaga has gotten plenty of attention and great seeds out of the WCC. They don't need the BE like a team like XU does.
I want to stay at 10 unless UCONN can be added.
_lh wrote:They proved that conference affiliation is far less important for college basketball than for college football.
stever20 wrote:It's important- but it's not that important.
About Gonzaga not making the final 4 and only making the elite 8 2x- that's partially because they've had only 2 top 2 seeds thru their run. And only 6 top 4 seeds. So by their seeds, they should have made 1 more final 4. That's really it.
Memphis had 2 elite 8's and a sweet 16 that weren't vacated around the final 4 that was. So Memphis absolutely did prove that conferences don't mean as much.
About Conference USA back in 2005 and 2003- they absolutely were not a power conference...
2005- in Ken Pom- they were #9 conference
2003- in Ken Pom- they were #7 conference
There is an advantage in being in a higher profile power conference, but it's not an insurmountable advantage by any stretch.
Also your numbers are off a bit- it's only 24 seasons since 1991. You either have to include UNLV in '91 or it's 24 years(96 final 4 teams). Also would note that your numbers aren't including the 2 vacated teams(Memphis and UMass). That's fine, but then instead of saying only 9 of 100 it would be 9 of 92(there were 4 other final 4 teams that got vacated). If you say you have to include those vacated teams, then it's 11 of 96.
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