handdownmandown wrote:I would be sympathetic to Dayton getting in, but their fans on here make me dead set against them. They have a full complement on here already and are in full blown hair trigger mode - on someone else's board. I can't imagine what life would be like on here if they were legitimately given the run of the place.
Boggles the mind, it does.
_lh wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:_lh wrote:I don't have a vote either and obviously everyone here is just speculating but I doubt the B10 expands anytime soon but who knows. Either way, I agree with you about UCONN.
I can't imagine the travel costs for the tennis team to travel from Spokane to the east coast regularly. I think Gonzaga joining the BE is a huge pipe dream.
Gonzaga is able to get very good exposure nationally and great seeds out of their current conference so I don't see why they would even consider it.
The tennis team doesn't have to travel to Spokane. You'd be surprised how few teams actually have to play a conference round robin schedule. Most sports compete in a conference tournament or all-conference meet and the rest of the schedule is up to them. Xavier, for example, has only 6 teams that play a conference round robin schedule. That's all it takes.
Regardless of the number of teams that play full schedules, it's still only one long road trip per year per team. At the most. In a divisional format, it wouldn't even be that for teams in the opposite division.
Then. There's always the option for creative scheduling. For example, atrio from NYC is about the same distance as a trip from Omaha to Spokane. So, if the schedule makers piggy back a trip to Gonzga with a trip to Creighton, the trip from Creighton to Gonzaga is the same amount of travel as the trip they would have been taking home anyway. So, the only thing that's been added is the one way trip home from Spokane. I don't see how that's a deal breaker for anyone.
And it's not like most teams don't have some long road trips on the schedule already. Replace one of those with Gonzaga and replace that OOC trip with one closer to home. Then, at least part of the trip is something the team would have been doing anyway.
The factor the matter is that there are lots of ways to minimize the impact on everyone except Gonzaga and they've said that they're good with it. Is it worth the compromises that would have to be made? It would be to me. I simply can't come. Up with another program that would have that kind of impact and would still be a good fit. So far in this thread, no one else has either.
Gonzaga's reasons for considering it are their reasons, not mine, so I won't speak for them. It was reported at the time that the C7 announced their split from the football schools that Gonzaga was interested and that's been confirmed by other articles since then. So, as best we know, their is a fact regardless of what their motivation is.
I can only guess why they'd e interested, but I assume that it's because they have aspirations for a big time program beyond the level of competition that the WCC can provide. BYU isn't likely to be staying there for the long haul. Without BYU, the WCC is is a western version of the MAAC. WCC schools typically have home attendance figures in the 2,000-3,000 range. A school that averages over 3K is the rare exception and some are under 2K. Gonzaga sells out it's 6,000 on-campus arena for every game and has a long waiting list for tickets. That's pretty amazing in light of the competition. Give them a Big East schedule and they're likely selling out Spokane's 12,000 seat civic arena.
Then there's the "Oh, BTW . . ." reason. Increased revenue, which is what's behind all expansion.
Bill,
That is all fine and dandy but the fact remains that Gonzaga does not play big time football. Conference affiliation for basketball is a lot less important without football being a factor.
Gonzaga has and can continue to compete for a national championship and final fours out of the WCC. You may be correct that they were interested or may still be but I don't see why.
DudeAnon wrote:_lh wrote:Bill,
That is all fine and dandy but the fact remains that Gonzaga does not play big time football. Conference affiliation for basketball is a lot less important without football being a factor.
Gonzaga has and can continue to compete for a national championship and final fours out of the WCC. You may be correct that they were interested or may still be but I don't see why.
Funny you say that, Gonzaga has never made the Final Four and only made the second weekend 3 times. What happens after Few leaves? As someone said earlier, its a lot easier to add teams than to remove them.
Bill Marsh wrote:Actually Gonzaga has made the second weekend 4 times since 1999 and twice they've gone to the Elite 8.
What happens after Few leaves? Can't you say that about any school with a successful coach. Few isn't the coach who built them into a tournament team or who got them to their first Elite 8. So, the program's success isn't all about him.
The issue that has to be addressed with any program is whether they've shown the level of investment and commitment to compete at this level. IMO, Gonzaga has shown that.
I would prefer that the conference stay at 10. The only reason we're talking about this is that expansion has been an open question since the formation of the league. If the BE were to expand, who is a better candidate to maintain or even elevate the stature of the league? Who will help to build interest for TV ratings? And tournament ticket sales. If there were an obvious answer to these questions not located on the Idaho border, Gonzaga wouldn't be in the conversation.
DudeAnon wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:Actually Gonzaga has made the second weekend 4 times since 1999 and twice they've gone to the Elite 8.
What happens after Few leaves? Can't you say that about any school with a successful coach. Few isn't the coach who built them into a tournament team or who got them to their first Elite 8. So, the program's success isn't all about him.
The issue that has to be addressed with any program is whether they've shown the level of investment and commitment to compete at this level. IMO, Gonzaga has shown that.
I would prefer that the conference stay at 10. The only reason we're talking about this is that expansion has been an open question since the formation of the league. If the BE were to expand, who is a better candidate to maintain or even elevate the stature of the league? Who will help to build interest for TV ratings? And tournament ticket sales. If there were an obvious answer to these questions not located on the Idaho border, Gonzaga wouldn't be in the conversation.
So I misread their page. They have made it to the second weekend 5 times with 2 Elite Eights. They have not won a single NCAA tournament game without Mark Few.
DudeAnon wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:Actually Gonzaga has made the second weekend 4 times since 1999 and twice they've gone to the Elite 8.
What happens after Few leaves? Can't you say that about any school with a successful coach. Few isn't the coach who built them into a tournament team or who got them to their first Elite 8. So, the program's success isn't all about him.
The issue that has to be addressed with any program is whether they've shown the level of investment and commitment to compete at this level. IMO, Gonzaga has shown that.
I would prefer that the conference stay at 10. The only reason we're talking about this is that expansion has been an open question since the formation of the league. If the BE were to expand, who is a better candidate to maintain or even elevate the stature of the league? Who will help to build interest for TV ratings? And tournament ticket sales. If there were an obvious answer to these questions not located on the Idaho border, Gonzaga wouldn't be in the conversation.
So I misread their page. They have made it to the second weekend 5 times with 2 Elite Eights. They have not won a single NCAA tournament game without Mark Few.
sheg wrote:Here's an argument in favor of SLU: another Central Time Zone team to increase the inventory of 9pm eastern, 8pm central start times to fit nicely with the 7pm start times of EST teams. Not that EST teams can't have 9pm games, of course, but 7 is ideal.
Games at Gonzaga starting at 7pm PST, 10pm EST, would have to be on a different channel if one channel had a 7pm game and a 9pm game. Games starting at 8pm PST would be worthless for ratings for all but the diehard fans.
(Like every other speculation regarding expansion, it assumes expansion actually happens. Obviously if there is no expansion, the whole discussion is moot.)
UD FAN wrote:handdownmandown wrote:I would be sympathetic to Dayton getting in, but their fans on here make me dead set against them. They have a full complement on here already and are in full blown hair trigger mode - on someone else's board. I can't imagine what life would be like on here if they were legitimately given the run of the place.
Boggles the mind, it does.
Yea, The University of Dayton is a good fit for the many, many, many reasons detailed (mostly by Bill and other NON UD FLYER FANS in the numerous posts over the past 6 months) --------but the 5-6 annoying folks posting on the holyland forums ruin it for the institution and therefore let's chose not to expand! Some of you guys/gals make me laugh! Talk about "boggling the mind" ! LOL
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