muskienick wrote:If all UD posters were of sheg's quality, I'd be rooting for the inclusion of the Flyers as one of our next two members (despite the few drawbacks I see in that idea).
Unfortunately, Muddy and some of his ilk, are chomping at the chance to ruin this Board also!
.Gopher+RamFan wrote:That's why I'd like to see Dayton/X in the Big East. If you don't have someone to root for in that one, you'll soon root for X once the Flyer faithful start posting reasons why they're a Final Four team in the pre-season. I'd like to see a public school or two (even if it's not VCU, so WSU or UCONN). I want Creighton fans to hate on the academics of the Shockers, and Hoya fans to bring out the "UCONNVicts". As an outsider, I don't have anyone to root for in the Big East, so I need someone to hate. Adding (or creating over the next couple years, from teams inside the conference) rivalries creates a reason for people unaffiliated to the conference to tune in.
Gopher+RamFan wrote:augkash wrote: I think Dayton vs Xavier would be huge for the big east
I'm not a Big East fan (I watched maybe 10-15 conference games this year). Before VCU was in the A10, I'd turned into Xavier/Cincinnati. I'd also turn into GT/Cuse, UCONN/Syracuse, SJU/Cuse, UCONN/GT, WVU/UCONN. What was great about most of those, was the packed crowds. Alumni didn't like each other, private v. State universities added to the heat. The current BE doesn't have that dynamic, all the schools are similar. Take everyone on here, everyone's polite to each other. It's great to be polite, and like your conference mates - but rivalries add so much to the sport and adds viewership. I have no connection to Duke/UNC but I'll watch because of the hatred, proximity and dynamic of different institutions.
I get that the Big East is only in its 2nd year, but 7 members came from the previous conference (or let's say the second iteration of the BE). I watch a decent amount of FS1 (comparatively) and there's no mention of rivalries. I'm on here and it doesn't seem like any program dislikes each other. Maybe I've missed something, but to steal Rothstein's vocab, there's no palpable buzz in conference matchups for an outsider. Is Georgetown/Nova a good game? Probably, but I'm not staying up to watch a 9 pm tip at a half filled Verizon Center.
I know this is an unpopular view, and everyone here probably has a similar background (private/religious university alumni or fan, who may associate with the same). Just as an outsider, it seems the games are a bit bland from a hype perspective. I want to see packed houses, hated rivals, good games - I don't care which conference.
That's why I'd like to see Dayton/X in the Big East. If you don't have someone to root for in that one, you'll soon root for X once the Flyer faithful start posting reasons why they're a Final Four team in the pre-season. I'd like to see a public school or two (even if it's not VCU, so WSU or UCONN). I want Creighton fans to hate on the academics of the Shockers, and Hoya fans to bring out the "UCONNVicts". As an outsider, I don't have anyone to root for in the Big East, so I need someone to hate. Adding (or creating over the next couple years, from teams inside the conference) rivalries creates a reason for people unaffiliated to the conference to tune in.
gtmoBlue wrote:.Gopher+RamFan wrote:That's why I'd like to see Dayton/X in the Big East. If you don't have someone to root for in that one, you'll soon root for X once the Flyer faithful start posting reasons why they're a Final Four team in the pre-season. I'd like to see a public school or two (even if it's not VCU, so WSU or UCONN). I want Creighton fans to hate on the academics of the Shockers, and Hoya fans to bring out the "UCONNVicts". As an outsider, I don't have anyone to root for in the Big East, so I need someone to hate. Adding (or creating over the next couple years, from teams inside the conference) rivalries creates a reason for people unaffiliated to the conference to tune in.
I feel your pain - always nice to have a Southern Illinois to kick around, saved wear and tear on the old girl and the dog. SIU was a great rival - then they faded. Wichita Community College is a "Jonny come lately" and never really materialized as a true rival. This BE camaraderie is sort of a Boy Scout jamboree - earning merit badges, roasting marshmallows, and singing cumbaya.
If haters just gotta hate, then hate on Creighton. We're used to haters, love haters to death. Thing is with Creighton, your hate will grow exponentially as we get better and turn the MSG BET into the "Creighton Invitational". Gonna be fun.
Xudash wrote:Most, if not all the Big East Presidents are very sharp people. I presume that is the case with most of the AD's. I believe Val Ackerman is very sharp, and that she has assembled a strong staff in the Conference's offices. We discuss all this a lot around here and some fret about it, worrying about how the leadership will navigate the future, but we should occasionally acknowledge that some bright people are in the decisionmaking position.
Whatever happens, I presume it will happen with a great deal of solid data brought to the table, fully discussed internally, and then fully discussed with our broadcast partner, as well as with MSG if that is warranted.
As I've shared, from the whatever it's worth department, expansion is not on the radar right now. They aren't focused on it and they aren't discussing it in any way, shape or form. And the relationships between the Big East, Fox and MSG are all on solid ground.
Any of that could change at some point.
Any of that may not change at all.
Where does that leave us and this discussion? Most likely watching five things, in particular, moving forward:
1. Fox's overall progress with FS1.
2. Big East television viewership numbers.
3. The level of ongoing success with the Big East Tournament.
4. Developments, if any, in the world of big-time college football; not just P5, but the survivability of certain non-P5 programs.
5. The date for when the "Conference realignment discussion - v. 2016" thread is started.
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sheg great follow-up post. And Christi was finally honored in UD Arena in proper fashion. I'm sure that meant a great deal to her.
Xudash wrote:
expansion is not on the radar right now. They aren't focused on it and they aren't discussing it in any way, shape or form. And the relationships between the Big East, Fox and MSG are all on solid ground.
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