Ball Turret Gunner wrote:I find it humorous that X fans insist that they have somehow elevated UD's program by allegedly opening conference doors for them. UD has the fan support, money, facilities, etc to come back from a down period by themselves. UD was a basketball power when X was in the dumps. It's been cyclical with both programs. UD is doing just fine without association with X. We've been there. All that a "stiff arm" does is give UD a little more sunlight to strengthen the program faster right now. It succeeds on it's own merits.
Xudash wrote:Hoyas wrote:Fordham back to the Patriot or the MAAC then?
If I'm the A10 a Wichita for Fordham trade I'm like where do I sign up.
Absolutely.
It's a shame that the A10 could never get itself to be forceful enough to implement and enforce strong standards for program management. Fordham and LaSalle, in particular (and that includes LaSalle's little bit of success not long ago) have been major drags on that conference. Duquesne also has been unable to pull itself up. That conference has always refused to address its deadwood. I understand that a certain amount of loyalty is warranted and I understand that relationships of this kind are entered into for long terms. But I also understand that there should always be a quid pro quo: if you are granted membership, there should be a clear understanding of an obligation on your part to maintain certain membership standards. That conference has been terrible in managing itself on that basis, and the administrations of some of its programs are terribly unaligned when it comes to building successful athletic departments - unaligned, incompetent, under funded or some combination of the above.
The A10 has taken a number of hits in terms of losing key programs over the years. If the A10 could remix itself, it would find itself in a much more sustainable position, though its TV money would still lag seriously regardless.
Hoopfan wrote:Ball Turret Gunner wrote:I find it humorous that X fans insist that they have somehow elevated UD's program by allegedly opening conference doors for them. UD has the fan support, money, facilities, etc to come back from a down period by themselves. UD was a basketball power when X was in the dumps. It's been cyclical with both programs. UD is doing just fine without association with X. We've been there. All that a "stiff arm" does is give UD a little more sunlight to strengthen the program faster right now. It succeeds on it's own merits.
Honestly, without X, UD may not even be in the A10 now. As bad as UD was when x helped us get into the league with them really saved us
augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
MUBoxer wrote:I posted on an MU board about Dayton and wanted to bring that point over here. Dayton has 16 NCAA appearances, 24 NITs. Only three of those are Elite 8s (one a runner up). The thing that this conference has in many of the teams (minus the new three) is that each team had a period where they were pretty much on par with the blue bloods in the country. Dayton never had that and the recent success coincides with the two teams that dominated the A10 (temple and X) leaving so it's not even as impressive as a few years ago. They don't belong. No there's not a better fit but we shouldn't try and make something that doesn't fit, fit.
BEX wrote:augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
We have won the last 28 in a row @ home against UD since 1981. Yeah, petrified.
muskienick wrote:I believe there were far more things wrong with the post than just one. First and foremost, Xavier has already twice been a member of a Conference with Dayton and I believe both schools have enjoyed those competitions. Why would X have balked at a third such arrangement. I further dispute the assumption that the Big East would be at 12 members now had either UD or SLU been located on the eastern seaboard somewhere. Neither of those schools had the on-court resumes that would have matched up with those of Butler, Creighton, and Xavier at the time.
BEX wrote:augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
We have won the last 28 in a row @ home against UD since 1981. Yeah, petrified.
marquette wrote:JPSchmack wrote:DePaul was just fine in C-USA when they were kicking the crap out of ECU, Tulane, USF, Houston and So Miss, and they hit the cellar in the 18-team Big East and are still trying to recover. How competitive in the mega-Big East were Providence & Seton Hall from 2001-2013?
There were one or two other notable teams in that league. Off the top of my head Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, and Memphis were all there while DePaul was "kicking the crap out of ECU, Tulane, USF, Houston, and So Miss."
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