augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
Xudash wrote:augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
It continues to amaze me that the Dayton fans try to position this as being about Xavier fearing UD. As I pointed out in an earlier post, Xavier has owned UD essentially since 1980.
Sorry, but you do not get to change the narrative about this. When it is all said and done, your biggest problem is that you are too close in proximity to a current Big East program. That program happens to be Xavier. Otherwise, and I am still getting a chuckle out of someone trying to defend O'Brien's coaching record, you guys haven't proven that you have a clue about putting together a sustainable basketball program that actually wins where it matters. On that note, this is not the time to bring up Archie Miller, because he is not going to stay at UD much longer. If anyone knows about career aspirations when it comes to a member of the Miller family, it would be a Xavior fan.
Dayton's record with respect to naming head coaches is abysmal. There is no other way to look at it. Beyond that and any other program related metrics, it simply does not make sense to focus on having another program in Southwest Ohio, given the television metrics that exist for that region.
Finally, most people don't know about UD. That is a ridiculous position to take.
GibsoniaPA wrote:That's good enough for me- bring Dayton in. Where else do we see this seething anger other than a X fan reacting to anything UD? Will be fun to watch.
Ball Turret Gunner wrote:GibsoniaPA wrote:That's good enough for me- bring Dayton in. Where else do we see this seething anger other than a X fan reacting to anything UD? Will be fun to watch.
You haven't seen the half of it.
JPSchmack wrote:DePaul was just fine in C-USA when they were kicking the crap out of ECU, Tulane, USF, Houston and So Miss, and they hit the cellar in the 18-team Big East and are still trying to recover. How competitive in the mega-Big East were Providence & Seton Hall from 2001-2013?
Xudash wrote:Ball Turret Gunner wrote:GibsoniaPA wrote:That's good enough for me- bring Dayton in. Where else do we see this seething anger other than a X fan reacting to anything UD? Will be fun to watch.
You haven't seen the half of it.
And they're coming out of the woodwork now.
Xudash wrote:augkash wrote:Lol @ all the hate from XU fans. Why are you guys so scared of Dayton. And most ppl know about Dayton and its basketball program.
It continues to amaze me that the Dayton fans try to position this as being about Xavier fearing UD. As I pointed out in an earlier post, Xavier has owned UD essentially since 1980.
Sorry, but you do not get to change the narrative about this. When it is all said and done, your biggest problem is that you are too close in proximity to a current Big East program. That program happens to be Xavier.
Xudash wrote:GibsoniaPA wrote:That's good enough for me- bring Dayton in. Where else do we see this seething anger other than a X fan reacting to anything UD? Will be fun to watch.
I believe you are a Dayton fan. You are making jaxalum's point. You do not have a say in this. And try getting past the idea that it is about anger; you guys have not done anything that warrants your inclusion in the Big East.
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:Another factor to consider regarding expansion is perception. Regardless of what schools the Big East would take in the next round of expansion, it is highly probable that they will be coming from the Atlantic 10 (Dayton, Saint Louis, VCU, etc.). In taking Butler and Xavier from the A10 in 2013, it needs to be careful about creating and establishing the perception that the Big East will just continually poach the "hot" team from the A10 every few years. Look what happened to the American Conference - with UConn, Cincinnati and USF (both leftover original Big East schools), they poached Tulane, East Carolina, Memphis, Houston, SMU, UCF and Tulsa from Conference USA. Today, numerous critics label them as C-USA 2.0 - as UConn, Temple and Navy are the only schools that have never played under the C-USA banner (Cincinnati and USF were C-USA members until 2005).
While the ACC poached numerous Big East schools over the years (Miami, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and Notre Dame), the ACC brand was already established. They were never in danger of losing their brand or their image. The ACC is also not fighting to be recognized as a power in football or basketball. The Big East, despite strong showings in its first two seasons, is still fighting to be considered an elite basketball conference.
I cannot stress this enough, but the current and reconfigured Big East needs at least several seasons under its belt to rebuild its image and its brand. The 10 schools need to work together, strengthen rivalries and continue putting on exciting games of basketball. Only then will any expansion school(s) be able to be assimilated into the conference and grow into a basketball power. Any school that wishes to be considered a Big East expansion candidate needs to begin putting serious resources into their basketball programs (if they have not yet done so already) and aim for sustained basketball success (repeated NCAA/NIT bids).
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