myopicraiderfan wrote:Here is what this thread has taught me. There is an opportunity here for SLU if the Big East wants a bottom dweller. Follow me here.
1. Schedule no ooc home games.
2. Only schedule buy in away games to top 100 RPI programs.
a. Guarantee this in contract both ways. SLU won't schedule poorly and buying team guarantees top 100 RPI or they pay remaining occ teams.
b. Wins for all universities become good wins against a Big East team.
c. The occasional win is good for everyone, except the team that lost, but even then it would not hurt.
3. Tell Big East a full share isn't necessary as they will make up difference with money from buy ins.
4. Not require a single SLU game be on TV.
5. Profit!
SLU gets a profitable athletic program and the prestige of being Big East. Big East gets SLU market. If you want to watch SLU basketball you must buy tickets and you know for certain you get just 11 Big East games. If your favorite team is playing in STL you know you have to buy a ticket.
RPI only calculates 25% for wins, the remaining 75% is win percentage of opponents(50%) and opponents opponents(25%).
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TBC Alum wrote:GoldenWarrior11 wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/25139160/big-12-acc-conference-championship-game-restrictions-to-be-relaxed-by-2016
Realignment, from a football perspective, looks to be frozen in place for the foreseeable future.
Not so fast my friend ...
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/07/report-big-12-may-get-title-game-in-16-acc-to-three-divisions/related/
Bill Marsh wrote:XU Dash, I know you're a smart guy and a knowledgable college basketball fan, but I'm not following your line of reasoning on this Dayton thing. Let's compare them with Creighton's credentials at the time they were considered to evaluate their resume.
Dayton (2000-15) - 6 tournament appearances
Creighton (1998-2013) - 9 tournament appearances
Advantage: Creighton although not overwhelming.
Dayton (2000-15) - 6 tournament wins, including an Elite 8
Creighton (1998-2013) - 4 tournament wins never making it out of the first weekend
Advantage: Dayton and to me the Elite 8 and the fact that their shining moments have come in their most recent and therefore most relevant appearances makes it a pretty significant advantage. Add to that the fact that Creighton had more opportunities to get wins and didn't. Add to that the fact that Dayton has had wins over big programs under 2 different coaches - West Virginia, Ohio State, Syracuse, Stanford, Providence. Those are big wins.
Dayton (1980-99) - 3 tournament appearances with 4 wins, 1 Elite 8
Creighton (1979-98) - 3 tournament. Appearances with 1 win
Advantage: Dayton. I began by looking at what Dayton has done since 2000, which created a 16 year time frame in which to view each program. When we look at the extended history of the 2 programs, going back 20 years in each case prior to their earliest tournament appearance in this 16 year window, both had fallen on hard times with just 3 tournament appearances by each. But even in a down cycle, Dayton had won more games and had gone to an Elite 8.
Although I understand your point about Dayton fans being obnoxious and overrating their program (I personally have no idea about this), I fail to see how their resume is worse than Creighton's in any significant way. In some ways, it is better. Certainly their success in the 1960's (NIT title, Final 4) combined with their more recent Elite 8's (2 in the last 30 years) makes them a more historic program. Whatever failures they have made in coaching hires is now history. The presidents and administrators responsible for those are probably long gone. Correct me if I'm wrong. But there most recent hire was a home run, which is encouraging.
Frankly the credentials of the 2 programs as candidates are very similar. It's their ability to draw big crowds to home games that is their biggest credential. Creighton is better at this, but Dayton is consistently a top 25 program in this category, which makes them exceptional in their own right. Both the Wall Street Journal and Forbes have separately ranked Dayton as one of the 25 most valuable college basketball programs in the country. That's a big deal. Financial health goes a long way toward insuring future athletic success. Dayton may not right now be a destination job, but membership in the Big East could help to change that. Even if it never changes, however, they wouldn't be unique in that regard among Big
East schools. How many jobs are there really that are immune from a coach leaving for greener pastures? Roy Williams left Kansas for North Carolina. Bill Self left Illinois for Kansas. Rick Pitino left Kentucky for the Celtics. It's the nature of the business.
I don't see how having a 2nd team in southwestern Ohio can hurt. Doubling interest in all Big East games can only help fight off the competition from Cincinnati, Ohio State, Kentucky, etc. There are plenty of examples of programs in the same market enhancing a conference's profile rather than hurting it. Begin with the 3 ACC in North Carolina's 16 mile research triangle around Raleigh. The Big East had noth BC and Providence in the Boston/Providence market of southeastern New England, a very similar situation to Cincinnati/Dayton. St. John's and Seton Hall currently share the NY/NJ market. I get the hate for Dayton, but frankly hate is the basis for almost all of the best rivalries.
stever20 wrote:It's funny, if they can drop the divisions, maybe the ACC picking up Cincy is a smart idea. Think about it, they do that, they have totally put WVU on an island permanently. 15 football/16 basketball.
Think about it- where then would the Big 12 have to expand to help WVU? Memphis? East Carolina? Those would be the only 2 realistic options and I just can't see Texas wanting to go with ECU.
Big 12 royally has misplayed their hand worse than any conference I think.
stever20 wrote:.
Big 12 royally has misplayed their hand worse than any conference I think.
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