NCAA Tourney - Providence vs. Dayton 9:57 p.m. truTV

[Bill Marsh]

I'm an A10 and Big East fan so I can speak freely. PC played like crap last night and that's not debatable. Dayton played very well. But the story of this game and the failure of the committee to seed properly is the story of the tournament so far in my opinion. Just an awful job overall. Dayton probably shouldn't have been in the PIG to start and then to place them in Columbus was unfair to PC and now Oklahoma.

Playing the game in Columbus had nothing to do with the outcome.

If the committee failed to seed properly and put Dayton in a PIG that they didn't deserve, how did that hurt Dayton. If anything it helped Providence by forcing Dayton to play an extra game.

[Bill Marsh]

Luck had nothing to do with it. Dayton has outshot everyone from the FT line this year and Providence is terrible at getting to the line. Did you not see the season stats? I expected thos because Providence is an outside shooting team and Dayton attacks the rim.

You don't know what you're talking about. You're entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. Did you not see the season stats? If you're going to cite them, then get it right.

Providence is NOT an outside shooting team. They have a penetrating PG and they pound the boards. They normally do get to the line. Just not in this game, with these refs. They were 41st out of 350 teams in the country in FT attempts (23 per game vs 7 last night) this year. That, my friend, is a team that gets to the line.

Dayton is a team that gets to the line a lot (14th in FT attempts), no doubt. But they're also a mediocre FT shooting team (68%), which takes some of the edge off getting to the line.

[Bill Marsh]

According to ken Palm Dayton ranks #2 in country at getting to FT line Providence ranks in the low 250s

According to the official NCAA stats, Dayton is 14th in FT attempts, Providence is 41st. With all due respect to Ken Pom, there is something wrong with what he's reporting.

[Hoopfan]

The issue i see is everyone is hung up on where the game was played. Do all D1 teams not play road games in season? Was it not just,two days ago it didnt matter where this game was played because providence beat other BE teams that were better than anything dayton has played all year?

The fans at the game dont play the game. A home court can help but it wasn't either teams home court. The refs called a certain type of game and PC didnt adjust quick enough.

[anXUfan]

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The fact is that Dunn's game is built almost entirely on penetration, but he was in foul trouble from the beginning of the game. Henton is a big time offensive rebounder who gets a lot of his points in the paint.

Also worth noting that Dayton's pack line defense is specifically designed to stop dribble penetration.

[Bill Marsh]

Free throws at halftime tonight was 16-1. Dayton can play very aggressively, the Friars don't have that luxury. Tends to make a difference, especially on the road.

This ^^^.

[UD FAN]

I'm an A10 and Big East fan so I can speak freely. PC played like crap last night and that's not debatable. Dayton played very well. But the story of this game and the failure of the committee to seed properly is the story of the tournament so far in my opinion. Just an awful job overall. Dayton probably shouldn't have been in the PIG to start and then to place them in Columbus was unfair to PC and now Oklahoma.

Playing the game in Columbus had nothing to do with the outcome.

If the committee failed to seed properly and put Dayton in a PIG that they didn't deserve, how did that hurt Dayton. If anything it helped Providence by forcing Dayton to play an extra game.

Bill, don't know if "playing in Columbus had NOTHING" to do with the outcome-------but I appreciate the obvious effort to neither blame UD for the seeding or take away a quality win the our program.

As Archie said Thursday at his presser, "I know we'll travel.....I don't know the numbers. But to be playing in Columbus, clearly we're going to have fan support. To be honest with you, if we were in Buffalo (like last year), we are going to have fan support. If they sent us to Pittsburgh, we were going to have fan support just because of who we are."

"We are a basketball program with basketball fans."

Reported this AM that only Kentucky and Connecticut (have more NCAA wins than the UD Flyers) the past 2 years. That's what the newspaper said--but it sounds right! Given our depth issues, the lack of any player on the roster taller than 6'6, etc. we should be proud of this group and our great coaching staff.

We as a fan base and our TEAM have a right to be proud of that FACT and we are-----don't need any excuses to feel the way all do! That takes nothing away from the friars and the season they had!

THX Bill

[Bill Marsh]

Bottom line- Dayton gets to the line alot because they attck the rim and Providence relies on jacking up putside shots. This really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who follows basketball.

To show how absurd and uninformed this statement is, I looked up each team's 3 point attempts for the season.

Dayton - 18.4 per game
Providence - 16.6 per game

Dayton actually averages almost 2 more 3's per game than Providence. But why pay attention to the facts when they don't fit the narrative?

[hoyahooligan]

According to ken Palm Dayton ranks #2 in country at getting to FT line Providence ranks in the low 250s

According to the official NCAA stats, Dayton is 14th in FT attempts, Providence is 41st. With all due respect to Ken Pom, there is something wrong with what he's reporting.

Providence was 226th at not sending people to the line, they were 79th in getting to the line them selves. (Note this data includes last night's game).

1) I thought providence played a poor game.

2) I thought Dayton played above their heads.

3) The crowd and the refs were against Providence.

Add them up and you get a Dayton win.

#1 was the biggest reason providence lost followed by #2 with #3 playing the smallest part, but it did play a part.

[GibsoniaPA]

It's time to give Dayton some love. How many small private BB Catholic schools outside the BE do you see achieving what they have these last 2 years?

Pre-game board comments here and on the PC board were often about UD just not having the skills nor the athleticism to compete with a top tier Big East team. That UD would likely not even be competitive with PC. That may have been your father's UD program. This one is very well coached, has skilled players at every position, and has heart that few teams can match.

UD was screwed royally with their seeding. Their 32 RPI and wins were simply dismissed by the NCAA. They nearly lost the oppty to be in the 64 and had to bounce back from a terrible F4 game start and then dominated the last 10 minutes of the game against a fresh legs to make it to Columbus ( a game they should have never been a part of). Tomorrow will be their 6th single elimination game in 10 days. With a 6 +1 walk on roster. If they were in the BE they would be the toast of the league this am.