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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby DudeAnon » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:13 pm

Steve Lavin wrote:4. Been watching lots of NCAA Tourney shows and they all seem to have one thing in common: they complain about the G'Town seed, they complain about the Xavier seed, they think SJU is an automatic loss, they think Nova is overrated, they said Butler has not faced real athletic teams (they swept SJU a very athletic team), etc. If anyone thought some of us were nuts for sensing anti-Big East bias in the mainstream sports media, there should be no doubt left after tonight. The Big East was expected to fall off the face of the earth and a documentary was made by ESPN that made it seem like a eulogy. Well, we proved everyone wrong and got 6 (60%) of the teams in. 6 out of freaking 10 while doing great out of conference. In a normal, objective world where bias didn't exist, there would be a 15 minute segment about how the Big East never really left. I haven't heard any analysts say "Hey, we have to give them credit, they were not expected to be this good after all those other schools left". Only one analyst on CBS fought back for us and said "I don't think you can question the Big East getting 6 in…they all were solidly in and all deserve it". This was after another analyst said "The committee probably could have trimmed some tourney teams off the Big East". I was expecting them to all be honest and say "Wow, the Big East is still a premier conference and has lots of quality teams". But nope. They still act as if the schools with football and 40,000 students are automatically superior.


Really agree with this point. I never really bought the bias against the Big East until tonight. Analyst after analyst chose BE teams to go down early. Not just choosing them to not pull of upsets etc, but to outright be upset in very beginning. They seem to forget that we basically dominated the OOC. Oh well, good thing the Selection Committee doesn't rely on the "Bias Test" (except for UCLA)
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Postby stever20 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:41 pm

DudeAnon wrote:
Steve Lavin wrote:4. Been watching lots of NCAA Tourney shows and they all seem to have one thing in common: they complain about the G'Town seed, they complain about the Xavier seed, they think SJU is an automatic loss, they think Nova is overrated, they said Butler has not faced real athletic teams (they swept SJU a very athletic team), etc. If anyone thought some of us were nuts for sensing anti-Big East bias in the mainstream sports media, there should be no doubt left after tonight. The Big East was expected to fall off the face of the earth and a documentary was made by ESPN that made it seem like a eulogy. Well, we proved everyone wrong and got 6 (60%) of the teams in. 6 out of freaking 10 while doing great out of conference. In a normal, objective world where bias didn't exist, there would be a 15 minute segment about how the Big East never really left. I haven't heard any analysts say "Hey, we have to give them credit, they were not expected to be this good after all those other schools left". Only one analyst on CBS fought back for us and said "I don't think you can question the Big East getting 6 in…they all were solidly in and all deserve it". This was after another analyst said "The committee probably could have trimmed some tourney teams off the Big East". I was expecting them to all be honest and say "Wow, the Big East is still a premier conference and has lots of quality teams". But nope. They still act as if the schools with football and 40,000 students are automatically superior.


Really agree with this point. I never really bought the bias against the Big East until tonight. Analyst after analyst chose BE teams to go down early. Not just choosing them to not pull of upsets etc, but to outright be upset in very beginning. They seem to forget that we basically dominated the OOC. Oh well, good thing the Selection Committee doesn't rely on the "Bias Test" (except for UCLA)


You see though, we didn't dominate the OOC. We were 94-31. Good, but hardly dominating. That's why we got a bunch of 6 seeds.

I think it's going to be pretty challenging to get more than Nova in the sweet 16....
Xavier would have to beat Baylor.
St John's would have to beat Duke.
Providence would have to beat Oklahoma
Georgetown would have to beat Utah.
Butler would have to beat Notre Dame

I don't think Vegas would have us as a favorite at all in any of those games. Maybe the Georgetown game. But that's it. Also heard one of the ESPN folks saying they like the Nova bracket for Nova.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby SJU1987 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:58 pm

Obekpa was suspended for Pot use. He'll rejoin the team in the second round if they get past SDSU. I read the Aztecs are offensively challenged.
The same thing happened to SJU in 2002. One of their players tested for Pot right before the NCAA. The player was Willie Shaw. He later became a member of the Harlem Globe trotters. Slick Willie Shaw.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby Jet915 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:47 pm

SJU1987 wrote:Obekpa was suspended for Pot use. He'll rejoin the team in the second round if they get past SDSU. I read the Aztecs are offensively challenged.
The same thing happened to SJU in 2002. One of their players tested for Pot right before the NCAA. The player was Willie Shaw. He later became a member of the Harlem Globe trotters. Slick Willie Shaw.


If true, why is it being reported as 2 weeks?
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby NJRedman » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:18 am

Jet915 wrote:
SJU1987 wrote:Obekpa was suspended for Pot use. He'll rejoin the team in the second round if they get past SDSU. I read the Aztecs are offensively challenged.
The same thing happened to SJU in 2002. One of their players tested for Pot right before the NCAA. The player was Willie Shaw. He later became a member of the Harlem Globe trotters. Slick Willie Shaw.


If true, why is it being reported as 2 weeks?


This poster is mistaken, we can have him back by the regional finals.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby DudeAnon » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:17 am

stever20 wrote:You see though, we didn't dominate the OOC. We were 94-31. Good, but hardly dominating. That's why we got a bunch of 6 seeds.

I think it's going to be pretty challenging to get more than Nova in the sweet 16....
Xavier would have to beat Baylor.
St John's would have to beat Duke.
Providence would have to beat Oklahoma
Georgetown would have to beat Utah.
Butler would have to beat Notre Dame

I don't think Vegas would have us as a favorite at all in any of those games. Maybe the Georgetown game. But that's it. Also heard one of the ESPN folks saying they like the Nova bracket for Nova.


I said that that I am glad the selection committee isn't biased, so I am fine with the seeds. I am just talking gut reactions. A lot of these picks are done with very little knowledge of the actual teams but rather their reputation. It is obvious that most of the "Experts" still do not respect the Big East. Luckily, we can prove them wrong this week.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby stever20 » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:31 am

DudeAnon wrote:
stever20 wrote:You see though, we didn't dominate the OOC. We were 94-31. Good, but hardly dominating. That's why we got a bunch of 6 seeds.

I think it's going to be pretty challenging to get more than Nova in the sweet 16....
Xavier would have to beat Baylor.
St John's would have to beat Duke.
Providence would have to beat Oklahoma
Georgetown would have to beat Utah.
Butler would have to beat Notre Dame

I don't think Vegas would have us as a favorite at all in any of those games. Maybe the Georgetown game. But that's it. Also heard one of the ESPN folks saying they like the Nova bracket for Nova.


I said that that I am glad the selection committee isn't biased, so I am fine with the seeds. I am just talking gut reactions. A lot of these picks are done with very little knowledge of the actual teams but rather their reputation. It is obvious that most of the "Experts" still do not respect the Big East. Luckily, we can prove them wrong this week.

The thing that is funny- heard Jay Bilas actually say this morning that he thinks Georgetown can make the sweet 16 over Utah, and he's got Nova all the way to the Elite 8- before falling to Virginia(though he said that is contingent on the guy from UVA getting back). With the seeds we have- that's not too bad.

I have FAR more of a problem with the loons at CBS quite frankly vs ESPN- though I will say that I turned ESPN off pretty quickly because I was all bracketed out.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby HoosierPal » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:46 am

I wonder if this drug test result was known before the Big East tourney began.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Mar 16, 2015 9:43 am

stever20 wrote:
DudeAnon wrote:
Steve Lavin wrote:4. Been watching lots of NCAA Tourney shows and they all seem to have one thing in common: they complain about the G'Town seed, they complain about the Xavier seed, they think SJU is an automatic loss, they think Nova is overrated, they said Butler has not faced real athletic teams (they swept SJU a very athletic team), etc. If anyone thought some of us were nuts for sensing anti-Big East bias in the mainstream sports media, there should be no doubt left after tonight. The Big East was expected to fall off the face of the earth and a documentary was made by ESPN that made it seem like a eulogy. Well, we proved everyone wrong and got 6 (60%) of the teams in. 6 out of freaking 10 while doing great out of conference. In a normal, objective world where bias didn't exist, there would be a 15 minute segment about how the Big East never really left. I haven't heard any analysts say "Hey, we have to give them credit, they were not expected to be this good after all those other schools left". Only one analyst on CBS fought back for us and said "I don't think you can question the Big East getting 6 in…they all were solidly in and all deserve it". This was after another analyst said "The committee probably could have trimmed some tourney teams off the Big East". I was expecting them to all be honest and say "Wow, the Big East is still a premier conference and has lots of quality teams". But nope. They still act as if the schools with football and 40,000 students are automatically superior.


Really agree with this point. I never really bought the bias against the Big East until tonight. Analyst after analyst chose BE teams to go down early. Not just choosing them to not pull of upsets etc, but to outright be upset in very beginning. They seem to forget that we basically dominated the OOC. Oh well, good thing the Selection Committee doesn't rely on the "Bias Test" (except for UCLA)


You see though, we didn't dominate the OOC. We were 94-31. Good, but hardly dominating. That's why we got a bunch of 6 seeds.

I think it's going to be pretty challenging to get more than Nova in the sweet 16....
Xavier would have to beat Baylor.
St John's would have to beat Duke.
Providence would have to beat Oklahoma
Georgetown would have to beat Utah.
Butler would have to beat Notre Dame

I don't think Vegas would have us as a favorite at all in any of those games. Maybe the Georgetown game. But that's it. Also heard one of the ESPN folks saying they like the Nova bracket for Nova.


If that's not dominating, then the rest of the conferences must really have sucked because that OOC record earned the Big East its ranking as the #2 conference in the country.

You're way too hung up on W/L record. What was impressive was the quality of the teams that the Big East played and the number of quality wins that they came away from that schedule with. Do we need to list all the wins again? Butler over North Carolina, Providence over Notre Dame, etc.
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Re: St. John's suspends Chris Obekpa for 2 weeks

Postby Doge McDermott » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:03 am

SJU1987 wrote:Obekpa was suspended for Pot use.


"College kids smoke weed. More at 11."

Too bad he didn't go to Georgetown, where it's legal now. Such a stupid law.

And yes, I realize that even if it was legal, it'd probably be banned by the NCAA. Marijuana isn't a PED, it's a handicap. Just like beer is in softball.
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