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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby Bill Marsh » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:27 am

gtmoBlue wrote:S'cuse should have received the 2 year postseason ban and forfeited the 2003 championship as well. S'cuse got off with a moderate punishment IMO. 11 years of cheating - moderate punishment - and back to cheating in 2016.


It actually should have been worse than that. Consider the single charge of multiple years (8) of academic fraud to keep ineligible players eligible. What does this mean for their rolling APR all those years?

The NCAA penalty for one year of a subpar APR is loss of 1 scholarship and a 1 year postseason ban.

Those seasons in which they fraudulently kept players eligible would certainly have meant a subpar APR if they had been reported honestly. Had the same penalty been applied here as is applied for subpar APR, it would mean an 8 year postseason ban. And that's before we even get to impermissible benefits (paying a player) or violations of the school's drug policy.

Instead, Syracuse got a 1-year, self imposed postseason ban, which was not announced in advance and came in a season in which they weren't going to the tournament anyway. That's like getting no postseason ban because it has zero impact on recruiting and zero players transfer out as a result.

The bigger scandal than Syracuse is the NCAA itself, this is one of the most massive scandals in NCAA history and .syracuse gets off with basically a slap on the wrist.
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby ChelseaFriar » Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:23 am

Yeah, this was an absolute joke of a penalty. Syracuse sucks this year and this is the only year where they are banned from the post season? They have an RPI in the 60s right now. Would they even be on the bubble? They needed at least one more year of post season ban and probably two more years (which would really punish them on the recruiting front).
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby TheBall » Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:59 am

Boeheim is still a thousand times classier and respectable than Calhoun. Calhoun was the worst. Remember Marcus Williams and the laptop thefts that he laughed off?
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby Bill Marsh » Sat Mar 07, 2015 1:28 pm

TheBall wrote:Boeheim is still a thousand times classier and respectable than Calhoun. Calhoun was the worst. Remember Marcus Williams and the laptop thefts that he laughed off?


What in the world does Calhoun have to do with it?

The fact is that UConn was banned from the tournament for a year for a substandard APR, achieved prior to announcement of the new standard. Quite a trick by the NCAA.

In contrast to UConn, who was penalized for honestly and accurately reporting the academic failures of their student-athletes, Syracuse cheated to cover up the academic failures of their student-athletes and then received the same on-year ban as UConn for 8 years of reported academic fraud! Amazing. Their APR would certainly have been substandard for those 8 years had they not cheated. Using the same standard as was used against UConn, Syracuse should have been banned for 8 years.

But the ban against Syracuse was even weaker than that. Since their ban was announced in advance, UConn lost 2 players who transferred, 2 who left early for the NBA, and an unknown number of recruits. Since the Syracuse ban was announced in the middle of the season in which it takes effect, it has zero impact on Syracuse's recruiting or player retention. To make matters worse, they weren't going to the tournament this year anyway. So, no loss of a tournament spot either.

Yeah, Boeheim is a real class act. He presides over a program steeped in academic fraud, paying players, and violation of his school's drug policy. That's classy. This is the second time under his tenure that the Syracuse program was disciplined by the NCAA. Remember their use of street agents in recruiting? Yeah, classy. Nothing but class under Jim Boeheim.

BTW, I'm not a Jim Calhoun fan, but there is no comprise on between his act and Boeheim's.
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby TheBall » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:39 pm

Calhoun is scum kier than Boeheim.

If you are unfamiliar with Calhoun's transgressions, here is a good article. Lots of hard hitting facts. I know you are a part time uconn fan, but Calhoun had some serious flaws off the court.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4862 ... al-culture
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby stever20 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:37 pm

For those that don't think Boeheim is scum- after today's game, he sent his assistant out to face the media instead of facing the music himself. What a wussy.
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby Bill Marsh » Sun Mar 08, 2015 11:16 am

TheBall wrote:Calhoun is scum kier than Boeheim.

If you are unfamiliar with Calhoun's transgressions, here is a good article. Lots of hard hitting facts. I know you are a part time uconn fan, but Calhoun had some serious flaws off the court.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4862 ... al-culture


I repeat that I am not a Calhoun fan and am in fact a big critic of his, but how does he have anything to do with Boeheim? :roll:

Saying that Calhoun's is worse implies that you can find some redeeming value for Boeheim. There is none. He runs a crooked program which received a tournament ban 1993 for recruiting irregularities and now has received a second ban for multiple violations including academic fraud. What's amazing about the current situation at Syracuse is that they have been under investigation since 2007, which you'd think would have put them on their best behavior in recent years. But in fact, many of the violations occurred while the program was under investigation! Just amazing.

Boeheim is a complete weasel who has refused to take responsibility and who has placed blame on subordinates instead of manning up for his role as the one ultimately responsible for what goes on with the program.
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Re: Syracuse investigation results

Postby falcon » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:56 pm

Boeheim and Calhoun were both serial cheaters and enablers. Syracuse basketball has been a cesspool for 40 years. The conference is better off without them. In only our second year, we have six NCAA bids coming, and hopefully a well-attended an competitive MSG tournament.
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