Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby Steve Lavin » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:01 pm

If we don't beat the brakes off of SHU tomorrow, this is clearly not a tourney team. Literally the two players that killed us last time are the same ones who won't be playing. They are leaving 24 average points off the team tomorrow. Home game, tourney on the line, last game at CA for seniors, revenge game, and a much weakened SHU team in turmoil. Sounds like an easy win right? It should be, but with SJU you never know. With Harrison and Obekpa already very banged up it wouldn't shock me if it came right down to the last basket or two. If it does, shame on us, because we need a blowout to rest Harrison and Obekpa.

If we can beat SHU then we are looking at needing 2 more wins.

We'd still have home games vs. Xavier and G'town, plus away games at Marquette and Nova. So we need any two wins from those. I'd say our best chance is beating Xavier at home, losing to G'Town, beating Marquette away, and losing to Nova at home. 2-2 to finish the season and would put us at 20-11 (9-9). Then win 1-2 games in the BET and we are surely in. Since we never win BET games, I feel as if we are far overdue to win a few this year. At some point the law of averages comes into play. If we can somehow beat Nova (their minds might be on the Final Four and not St. John's) then we can get in easily without any BET wins.

I always wondered what it feels like to sit back around this time of year knowing your team is easily in and allowing your stars to rest up. This feels like a replay of last year. Right on the bubble, tough end of the schedule but doable. Hopefully this year we don't fall flat again.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby stever20 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:04 pm

Steve Lavin wrote:If we don't beat the brakes off of SHU tomorrow, this is clearly not a tourney team. Literally the two players that killed us last time are the same ones who won't be playing. They are leaving 24 average points off the team tomorrow. Home game, tourney on the line, last game at CA for seniors, revenge game, and a much weakened SHU team in turmoil. Sounds like an easy win right? It should be, but with SJU you never know. With Harrison and Obekpa already very banged up it wouldn't shock me if it came right down to the last basket or two. If it does, shame on us, because we need a blowout to rest Harrison and Obekpa.

If we can beat SHU then we are looking at needing 2 more wins.

We'd still have home games vs. Xavier and G'town, plus away games at Marquette and Nova. So we need any two wins from those. I'd say our best chance is beating Xavier at home, losing to G'Town, beating Marquette away, and losing to Nova at home. 2-2 to finish the season and would put us at 20-11 (9-9). Then win 1-2 games in the BET and we are surely in. Since we never win BET games, I feel as if we are far overdue to win a few this year. At some point the law of averages comes into play. If we can somehow beat Nova (their minds might be on the Final Four and not St. John's) then we can get in easily without any BET wins.

I always wondered what it feels like to sit back around this time of year knowing your team is easily in and allowing your stars to rest up. This feels like a replay of last year. Right on the bubble, tough end of the schedule but doable. Hopefully this year we don't fall flat again.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but remember, you would actually only be 19-11 for RPI purposes. The Franklin Pearce game doesn't count.

I think the key for St John's in the BET is to avoid at first either Butler or Georgetown. Just 2 pretty poor matchups(0-3 against with 2 blowouts), vs Providence/Xavier(3-0 with closest game being a 8 point win).
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby BEhomer » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:17 pm

one of the issues for SHU was IW butting heads with gibbs as both were ball dominant guards. this will be the first time keys will be turned over to IW. i'm curious to see how he handles it.

i still expect SJU to come out on top.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby Steve Lavin » Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:41 am

stever20 wrote:
Steve Lavin wrote:If we don't beat the brakes off of SHU tomorrow, this is clearly not a tourney team. Literally the two players that killed us last time are the same ones who won't be playing. They are leaving 24 average points off the team tomorrow. Home game, tourney on the line, last game at CA for seniors, revenge game, and a much weakened SHU team in turmoil. Sounds like an easy win right? It should be, but with SJU you never know. With Harrison and Obekpa already very banged up it wouldn't shock me if it came right down to the last basket or two. If it does, shame on us, because we need a blowout to rest Harrison and Obekpa.

If we can beat SHU then we are looking at needing 2 more wins.

We'd still have home games vs. Xavier and G'town, plus away games at Marquette and Nova. So we need any two wins from those. I'd say our best chance is beating Xavier at home, losing to G'Town, beating Marquette away, and losing to Nova at home. 2-2 to finish the season and would put us at 20-11 (9-9). Then win 1-2 games in the BET and we are surely in. Since we never win BET games, I feel as if we are far overdue to win a few this year. At some point the law of averages comes into play. If we can somehow beat Nova (their minds might be on the Final Four and not St. John's) then we can get in easily without any BET wins.

I always wondered what it feels like to sit back around this time of year knowing your team is easily in and allowing your stars to rest up. This feels like a replay of last year. Right on the bubble, tough end of the schedule but doable. Hopefully this year we don't fall flat again.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but remember, you would actually only be 19-11 for RPI purposes. The Franklin Pearce game doesn't count.

I think the key for St John's in the BET is to avoid at first either Butler or Georgetown. Just 2 pretty poor matchups(0-3 against with 2 blowouts), vs Providence/Xavier(3-0 with closest game being a 8 point win).


I don't think a team has ever been kept out for that reason…scheduling a D-II team…so what? Other teams do also. I would still expect at least 1 BET anyway so that's 20 either way you slice it. I don't care who we play in the opener, because we have not won ANY tourney games yet. That has to change. And it will at some point. Maybe this year, maybe next.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby xavierfano8 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:14 am

Big time snow storm hit Cincinnati overnight I feel like that's going to scare people away from Cintas. Hopefully it clears up a little before game time we need a big crowd.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby PMThor » Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:51 am

Level 2 snow emergency in Cincinnati and forecasting that the snow/rain/ice mix will start up again anytime. The crowd, legitimately, will not be big even though it is a sellout for Butler/Xavier. But those kinds of snow crowds always seem to be the most fun, craziest group.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby stever20 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:33 am

Steve Lavin wrote:
stever20 wrote:
Steve Lavin wrote:If we don't beat the brakes off of SHU tomorrow, this is clearly not a tourney team. Literally the two players that killed us last time are the same ones who won't be playing. They are leaving 24 average points off the team tomorrow. Home game, tourney on the line, last game at CA for seniors, revenge game, and a much weakened SHU team in turmoil. Sounds like an easy win right? It should be, but with SJU you never know. With Harrison and Obekpa already very banged up it wouldn't shock me if it came right down to the last basket or two. If it does, shame on us, because we need a blowout to rest Harrison and Obekpa.

If we can beat SHU then we are looking at needing 2 more wins.

We'd still have home games vs. Xavier and G'town, plus away games at Marquette and Nova. So we need any two wins from those. I'd say our best chance is beating Xavier at home, losing to G'Town, beating Marquette away, and losing to Nova at home. 2-2 to finish the season and would put us at 20-11 (9-9). Then win 1-2 games in the BET and we are surely in. Since we never win BET games, I feel as if we are far overdue to win a few this year. At some point the law of averages comes into play. If we can somehow beat Nova (their minds might be on the Final Four and not St. John's) then we can get in easily without any BET wins.

I always wondered what it feels like to sit back around this time of year knowing your team is easily in and allowing your stars to rest up. This feels like a replay of last year. Right on the bubble, tough end of the schedule but doable. Hopefully this year we don't fall flat again.

Don't disagree with what you are saying, but remember, you would actually only be 19-11 for RPI purposes. The Franklin Pearce game doesn't count.

I think the key for St John's in the BET is to avoid at first either Butler or Georgetown. Just 2 pretty poor matchups(0-3 against with 2 blowouts), vs Providence/Xavier(3-0 with closest game being a 8 point win).


I don't think a team has ever been kept out for that reason…scheduling a D-II team…so what? Other teams do also. I would still expect at least 1 BET anyway so that's 20 either way you slice it. I don't care who we play in the opener, because we have not won ANY tourney games yet. That has to change. And it will at some point. Maybe this year, maybe next.

The thing is, on the sheets the committee sees, they'll see 19-11 and not 20-11. At that record, not much of a difference, but there would be if you guys finish 19-12 and lose 1st rd of the BET. Then instead of looking like 19-13, it'd be 18-13. That gets to be a big difference.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby NJRedman » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:57 am

Good luck today everyone.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby Bill Marsh » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:01 pm

Once again this Seton Hall team, which has been described as weakened and as in turmoil, has shown up and is playing hard and playing well just as they did last week against Providence.
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Re: Sat. Feb 21 games (4)

Postby milksteak » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:12 pm

Zero offense without Chrabascz. Zilch. This could get ugly.
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