Bubble Watch

[HoosierPal]

Everyone is picking the metric they want to make their case. When in fact, the NCAA committee is free to use any qualitative, quantitative or subjective measurements they choose when evaluating teams.

http://www.ncaa.com/content/di-principles-and-procedures-selection/

[XUFan09]

The Committee can use anything they want, but each and every year, the tournament selections end up correlating more with RPI than anything else.

[Bill Marsh]

. I'm sorry but we just do not see 18-13 or 18-14 teams making the tournament much any more.

Occasionally we do:

2008 - Oregon (18-13)

[Bill Marsh]

Someone/anyone please explain to me how looking at overall total wins is a fair metric in deciding a bubble team ?

It's not. And isn't

It absolutely is a metric. I mean last year, Georgetown was one of the top 36 at large teams quite frankly, but because we were 17-14, we didn't make it. If we were 18-13, we absolutely would have made it. Florida St was 19-13 with the #12 SOS. They didn't make it.

Georgetown didn't make it last year because their RPI was 66 Florida State didn't make it cause their RPI WAS 52; they fell on the wrong side of the bubble.

[HoosierPal]

It's not. And isn't

It absolutely is a metric. I mean last year, Georgetown was one of the top 36 at large teams quite frankly, but because we were 17-14, we didn't make it. If we were 18-13, we absolutely would have made it. Florida St was 19-13 with the #12 SOS. They didn't make it.

Georgetown didn't make it last year because their RPI was 66 Florida State didn't make it cause their RPI WAS 52; they fell on the wrong side of the bubble.

It depends, it depends, it depends. Last year, Southern Miss has 27 wins, Toledo 27 wins, Missouri 22 wins, Minnesota 20 wins, SMU 23 wins, and none made it in the NCAA. The committee has a boat full of metrics they look at. If it was just one item, say RPI, then it would be pretty easy to pick the teams.

[gavitspeaks]

Georgetown didn't make it last year because their RPI was 66 Florida State didn't make it cause their RPI WAS 52; they fell on the wrong side of the bubble.[/quote]



They didn't make it last year because they weren't good enough. They were below average teams a year ago.

[stever20]

I think the thing with records is while having a lot of them doesn't automatically qualify you for the tourney, not having 18 for sure, and more realistically 19, eliminates you from consideration.

[Bill Marsh]

It absolutely is a metric. I mean last year, Georgetown was one of the top 36 at large teams quite frankly, but because we were 17-14, we didn't make it. If we were 18-13, we absolutely would have made it. Florida St was 19-13 with the #12 SOS. They didn't make it.

Georgetown didn't make it last year because their RPI was 66 Florida State didn't make it cause their RPI WAS 52; they fell on the wrong side of the bubble.

It depends, it depends, it depends. Last year, Southern Miss has 27 wins, Toledo 27 wins, Missouri 22 wins, Minnesota 20 wins, SMU 23 wins, and none made it in the NCAA. The committee has a boat full of metrics they look at. If it was just one item, say RPI, then it would be pretty easy to pick the teams.

Actually their final choices have an extremely high correlation with RPI with a rare exception here or there.

The point of my RPI reference was that it's not just about win and loss totals. RPI brings other factors into the mix as does that noat full of metrics that you referenced. Stever's trying to argue that they'll take a team with a weaker record over one with a stronger record simply based on an unappealkng number in their win/loss total and without regard to how and against whom the win/loss total was compiled.

[RedStormHoops]

Xavier will beat Cincy and butler to clinch their bid. Book it

Bump.

[RDinNY]

Xavier will beat Cincy and butler to clinch their bid. Book it

Bump.

What do you foresee for the Johnnies?