Wed Feb 18th - 2G - XU-Cinc, PC-DePaul...

[Bill Marsh]

Very nice win for Xavier! I knew the AAC would collapse once L'Ville left. UConn also predictably took a huge step back after distancing themselves from the Calhoun old Big East era. Cincy and Memphis aren't doing much either. SMU came back down to earth as well. And to think people were saying they were the better conference.

I'm assuming PC won. I knew DePaul was due to fall back to earth.

So lets see. SMU in(coming back down to earth? they are 20-5 with a 24 RPI). Temple back after a bad year last year. Cincy in NCAA tourney position. Tulsa square on the bubble but still doing pretty well. I mean if the AAC can get 4 teams in this year- without UConn or Memphis? That's far from a collapse.

So you're saying that the AAC is the better conference?

[hoyahooligan]

Very nice win for Xavier! I knew the AAC would collapse once L'Ville left. UConn also predictably took a huge step back after distancing themselves from the Calhoun old Big East era. Cincy and Memphis aren't doing much either. SMU came back down to earth as well. And to think people were saying they were the better conference.

I'm assuming PC won. I knew DePaul was due to fall back to earth.

So lets see. SMU in(coming back down to earth? they are 20-5 with a 24 RPI). Temple back after a bad year last year. Cincy in NCAA tourney position. Tulsa square on the bubble but still doing pretty well. I mean if the AAC can get 4 teams in this year- without UConn or Memphis? That's far from a collapse.

What if they only get 2? Which is possible. Memphis has been a joke since Cal left. When are they going to fire pastner?

[stever20]

Very nice win for Xavier! I knew the AAC would collapse once L'Ville left. UConn also predictably took a huge step back after distancing themselves from the Calhoun old Big East era. Cincy and Memphis aren't doing much either. SMU came back down to earth as well. And to think people were saying they were the better conference.

I'm assuming PC won. I knew DePaul was due to fall back to earth.

So lets see. SMU in(coming back down to earth? they are 20-5 with a 24 RPI). Temple back after a bad year last year. Cincy in NCAA tourney position. Tulsa square on the bubble but still doing pretty well. I mean if the AAC can get 4 teams in this year- without UConn or Memphis? That's far from a collapse.

What if they only get 2? Which is possible. Memphis has been a joke since Cal left. When are they going to fire pastner?

2 might be possible, but it's not likely at all. If Cincy can win these next 3 games against dogs, they are in. Tulsa still has a very real chance.

Memphis with Pastner I think is interesting. Very possible they get rid of him now.

[stever20]

Like I said in the "Purnell" thread that I started, those few wins that they got were nice but that's just a small sample size and now they've come back down to Earth. When judging a coach, you need to look at the big picture and Purnell is simply not the right man for the job. I want DePaul to become relevant, the upside that the program has (especially with all of the talent in their backyard) is SUPER high. But I don't think they'll ever become relevant under him and they should hire someone like Ben Jacobsen of UNI or Ben Howland.

yeah like I said on that thread I think how they finish the season is huge

[OmahaGuy]

Like I said in the "Purnell" thread that I started, those few wins that they got were nice but that's just a small sample size and now they've come back down to Earth. When judging a coach, you need to look at the big picture and Purnell is simply not the right man for the job. I want DePaul to become relevant, the upside that the program has (especially with all of the talent in their backyard) is SUPER high. But I don't think they'll ever become relevant under him and they should hire someone like Ben Jacobsen of UNI or Ben Howland.

yeah like I said on that thread I think how they finish the season is huge

Oh yeah, that'll definitely play a part. I just don't think it'll turn out well, but we'll see.

[stever20]

Like I said in the "Purnell" thread that I started, those few wins that they got were nice but that's just a small sample size and now they've come back down to Earth. When judging a coach, you need to look at the big picture and Purnell is simply not the right man for the job. I want DePaul to become relevant, the upside that the program has (especially with all of the talent in their backyard) is SUPER high. But I don't think they'll ever become relevant under him and they should hire someone like Ben Jacobsen of UNI or Ben Howland.

yeah like I said on that thread I think how they finish the season is huge

Oh yeah, that'll definitely play a part. I just don't think it'll turn out well, but we'll see.

I think frankly we'll know by next Wednesday if he'll be back or not. They have a tough game on Saturday @ Georgetown. Probable loss there of course... But next Tuesday they host Creighton. To me, he loses that game, I think he's gone. Especially if it wasn't all that competitive. I think they end the season losing 11 of 12, going to be tough for them to keep him.

[Bill Marsh]

So lets see. SMU in(coming back down to earth? they are 20-5 with a 24 RPI). Temple back after a bad year last year. Cincy in NCAA tourney position. Tulsa square on the bubble but still doing pretty well. I mean if the AAC can get 4 teams in this year- without UConn or Memphis? That's far from a collapse.

What if they only get 2? Which is possible. Memphis has been a joke since Cal left. When are they going to fire pastner?

2 might be possible, but it's not likely at all. If Cincy can win these next 3 games against dogs, they are in. Tulsa still has a very real chance. .

Are you joking, Steve? Tulsa. Has no chance, short of winning the AAC tournament.

Do you think the committee is going to just ignore that loss to Division II SE Oklahoma State at home?

Because it's not a D-I opponent, SEOS isn't calculated into the RPI. But it's there as a loss on their schedule nonetheless; it wasn't a pre-season scrimmage. It was a game on their regular season schedule. SEOS had never beaten a D-I opponent in their history in the NCAA. What do you think would happen to Tulsa's RPI if that loss were actually calculated into the formula?

[hoyahooligan]

Are you joking, Steve? Tulsa. Has no chance, short of winning the AAC tournament.

Do you think the committee is going to just ignore that loss to Division II SE Oklahoma State at home?

Because it's not a D-I opponent, SEOS isn't calculated into the RPI. But it's there as a loss on their schedule nonetheless; it wasn't a pre-season scrimmage. It was a game on their regular season schedule. SEOS had never beaten a D-I opponent in their history in the NCAA. What do you think would happen to Tulsa's RPI if that loss were actually calculated into the formula?

To be fair they might ignore it. It won't be included on the documents the committee members get. So unless someone remembers and brings it up they likely will ignore it.

[stever20]

Tulsa has a very real chance. Part of it is the rest of the bubble isn't that good. And part of it is Tulsa still has some real good games left. Temple, @ Memphis, Cincy, and @ SMU. They could be sitting at 21-9 entering the AAC Tourney. Tulsa definitely has a solid chance to make the tourney. Definitely doesn't have to win the AAC tourney to make the tourney.

[Bill Marsh]

Are you joking, Steve? Tulsa. Has no chance, short of winning the AAC tournament.

Do you think the committee is going to just ignore that loss to Division II SE Oklahoma State at home?

Because it's not a D-I opponent, SEOS isn't calculated into the RPI. But it's there as a loss on their schedule nonetheless; it wasn't a pre-season scrimmage. It was a game on their regular season schedule. SEOS had never beaten a D-I opponent in their history in the NCAA. What do you think would happen to Tulsa's RPI if that loss were actually calculated into the formula?

To be fair they might ignore it. It won't be included on the documents the committee members get. So unless someone remembers and brings it up they likely will ignore it.

How is that being fair? It was a scheduled regular season game. It's not like Syracuse losing to Lemoyne in a preseason scrimmage a few years ago.

I'm not sure that it won't be included. Are you? They give the committee members a ton of information. It's not like it's a secret. But even if it's not, in a season in which P5 members will be penalized for losses to the likes of New Jersey Institute of technology and Immaculate Word, do you really think that someone won't bring up up Tulsa's loss to Southeast Oklahoma State. It's one thing to ignore a win over a D-II cup cake that doesn't belong on the schedule; it's something else to ignore a loss.

Ignoring this would be like ignoring a loss to Chaminade in their tournament in Hawaii. Except in those games, teams could point to the long flight and home court advantage. No such excuse here. Tulsa lost this game in their own gym.