Big East honorees projections

[Irishdawg]

After last night the only honor Dunham should get is for acting. What a little FIFA-soccer wannabe with his flailing and contorting his body to try and draw fouls every time anyone happens to lay a finger on him. Lost all respect for him last night watching that act. it'sad that a great shooter resorts to that frankly.

That said, congrats to Butler for somehow winning the game. I like your school and coach and most of the players.

McDermott did the same stuff last year. D'Angelo Harrison also does it. Heck, a lot of guys will do it if they think they can get the calls. If you don't respect him, that's more than fine, but there are plenty of things that guys can do that will lose my respect much quicker than that. Pointer had one of the most egregious flops I've seen during a game, but I thought it was funny more than anything else. Pointer should probably be more in the running for conference awards than Harrison for St. John's. He's been really, really good as of late.

The funny thing is (related to Dunham) he only shot 1 free throw last night, so it's not like he had a ton of whistles rolling his way for it.

In terms of ranking guards, it depends on what you're looking for, but overall for me it's Kris Dunn and then everyone else. Kid is spectacular on both ends of the floor and does everything for Providence.

[NJRedman]

So go ahead and rank the guards.

You apparently think harrison is better than garret Jr (I disagree), and probably gibbs (debatable), do you also rank harrison ahead of Dunn, hilliard and smith-rivera?

Well you clearly don't watch St. John's play the game of basketball. I'll say it again, Harrison is the SECOND leading scorer IN THE CONFERENCE. Now how does that make him the 6th best guard in the league? Explain how he could be that low?

Here are the #'s of the top 6 guards. The top ten in each category are noted as are those that are way low.

Harrison 19.1 pts (2nd in BE), 43% FG, 5.8 Reb (10th in BE), 1.16 steals, 1.9 assists, 38% 3pt
Dunn 15.4 pts (6th in BE), 48% FG, 5.8 Reb (10th in BE), 2.8 steals (1st in BE), 7.6 assists (1st in BE) 33% 3pt
Garrett 13.3 pts (10th in BE), 41% FG, 2.5 Reb (54th in the BE), .69 steals (45th in BE), 3.8 Assists (5th in BE), 37% 3pt
Gibbs 16.7 pts (4th in BE) 41% FG, 2 Reb (67th in BE), 1.19 steals, 3.7 assists (7th in BE), 44% 3pt (1st in BE)
Hillard 14.3 pts (8th in BE), 45% FG, 3 Reb (42nd in BE), 1.76 steals (5th in BE), 2.1 assists, 39% 3pt (9th in BE)
Smith-Rivera 15.5 pts (5th in BE), 41% FG, 3.7 Reb, 1.75 steals (6th in BE), 3.3 assists (10th in BE), 38% 3pt

[TheBall]

So the only ranking is scoring leaders? Is that your ranking, or did you just list scoring leaders?

Look, it is fine to have an opinion but at least state what that is. How do you rank the guards in the big east. You think harrison is being disrespected, but I don't think many would have him in their top 3 guards ranking, so he's not really a first teamer.

Scoring is just one of many stats. For example, in January I watched st john's play basketball at Madison square garden against villanova. Harrison had a whole bunch of points (25 to be exact), but he was lazy in many areas of the game and was totally outclassed by villanova's guards as his team lost by 20.

So my apologies if my player rankings are not based solely on ppg, as ball hogs have a tendency to score big points while their teams lose, and that is anot a positive attribute.

And you can keep criticizing me, but until you actually take a stand as to which player(s) harrison should replace on the second or third team, you are not really adding much.

[Amase2]

So the only ranking is scoring leaders? Is that your ranking, or did you just list scoring leaders?

Look, it is fine to have an opinion but at least state what that is. How do you rank the guards in the big east. You think harrison is being disrespected, but I don't think many would have him in their top 3 guards ranking, so he's not really a first teamer.

Scoring is just one of many stats. For example, in January I watched st john's play basketball at Madison square garden against villanova. Harrison had a whole bunch of points (25 to be exact), but he was lazy in many areas of the game and was totally outclassed by villanova's guards as his team lost by 20.

So my apologies if my player rankings are not based solely on ppg, as ball hogs have a tendency to score big points while their teams lose, and that is anot a positive attribute.

And you can keep criticizing me, but until you actually take a stand as to which player(s) harrison should replace on the second or third team, you are not really adding much.

The players are the players you listed, not the top scorers in the league. He gave the complete stats for those guys. Of those stats I would say the leading scorer AND co-leading rebounder should be placed within the top 3 of the league.

With that said, D'lo just laid an egg @ gtown doing nothing to help my case, but one game does not make a player.

Dunn
Hilliard
Harrison
Smith-Rivera
Gibbs
Garrett

[NJRedman]

So the only ranking is scoring leaders? Is that your ranking, or did you just list scoring leaders?

Look, it is fine to have an opinion but at least state what that is. How do you rank the guards in the big east. You think harrison is being disrespected, but I don't think many would have him in their top 3 guards ranking, so he's not really a first teamer.

Scoring is just one of many stats. For example, in January I watched st john's play basketball at Madison square garden against villanova. Harrison had a whole bunch of points (25 to be exact), but he was lazy in many areas of the game and was totally outclassed by villanova's guards as his team lost by 20.

So my apologies if my player rankings are not based solely on ppg, as ball hogs have a tendency to score big points while their teams lose, and that is anot a positive attribute.

And you can keep criticizing me, but until you actually take a stand as to which player(s) harrison should replace on the second or third team, you are not really adding much.

You didn't even read the stats did you? Points was just the first stat. Look at the numbers and tell me how Garrett and Gibbs are better.

[TheBall]

I guess the difference between us is that I would take 13 points in a winning effort by a guy who did what it took to get it done over 25 points from a guy who lit it up in garbage time while his team was down a couple dozen.

Hey, you say tomato and I say tomatoe, it happens.

Anyway, I'm not a st john's hater, I think sir Dominic is a top notch player. And I'm not even against harrison, but I never like to give guys who specialize in putting up gaudy numbers in blowout losses more credit than they deserve.

When it comes to harrison, I'm not sure if he is a top 3 player on his own team. (pointer is clearly better, jordan and obekpa have much more nba potential, and green the fourth is more of a team oriented player).

[Nildogg]

Rosevelt Jones. period.

His presence is clearly reflected in the turnaround of Butler's season this year.

[FDS]

After last night the only honor Dunham should get is for acting. What a little FIFA-soccer wannabe with his flailing and contorting his body to try and draw fouls every time anyone happens to lay a finger on him. Lost all respect for him last night watching that act. it'sad that a great shooter resorts to that frankly.

That said, congrats to Butler for somehow winning the game. I like your school and coach and most of the players.

Creighton certainly has the whinyest most sour grapes fans on the board... Can that be a conference award?

[RedStormHoops]

I guess the difference between us is that I would take 13 points in a winning effort by a guy who did what it took to get it done over 25 points from a guy who lit it up in garbage time while his team was down a couple dozen.

Hey, you say tomato and I say tomatoe, it happens.

Anyway, I'm not a st john's hater, I think sir Dominic is a top notch player. And I'm not even against harrison, but I never like to give guys who specialize in putting up gaudy numbers in blowout losses more credit than they deserve.

When it comes to harrison, I'm not sure if he is a top 3 player on his own team. (pointer is clearly better, jordan and obekpa have much more nba potential, and green the fourth is more of a team oriented player).

These are his point totals in Big east games before his injury - 25, 33, 25, 20

Injury hits, here are his totals after the injury including the duke game - 11, 11, 12, 15, 18, 10

Then DLo started to look a lot better, he was moving much easier, and put up 21 and 33 in the next two games, both wins

Harrison had 13 points in the first half against Xavier, and was on pace for 25+ points, then he landed awkwardly and re injured his calf at the end of the half in that game. He scored 5 second half points.

I don't expect you to watch St. John's basketball games. You're a villanova fan so there isn't really a reason for you to if you don't want to. But then you need to stop talking like you know what you are saying. You don't. Harrison is one of the greatest St. John's players to ever come through, top 10 for sure, and you are trying to say he's not even a top 3 player on the team. That's an idiotic comment.

That 25 in garbage time comment you made is ridiculous. You must be referring to the time we played nova, because he scored 25 that game and it's the only SJU game you've probably seen. Well Harrison scored 20 of his 25 in the first half of that game and we went into the break with the lead. So how exactly did he light it up in garbage time? But it is what is. This board seems content letting you run around and post BS constantly. I'm not gonna let it happen when you are talking about a player I really like.

Harrison shouldn't be on the first team this year because of his injury, if he didn't get injured he'd probably be averaging 22 PPG. But stop with these lies and ignorance.

[ivet]

Harrison was a non factor last night.
0-9 Field goals
0-5 from the 3
3 assist
only 5 points from free throws?

Another Calf Strain injury?