Val bursts into your office, WE HAVE TO CHOOSE TODAY!

[butlerguy03]

Nothing against Davidson but what are they at best, the 5th favorite team in North carolina? Maybe even 6th or 7th?

Adding Davidson would be like adding Valparaiso. Small school, has success on a regular basis and some name recognition because of it. No fan base at all.

[Bluejay]

Wait for the football fantasy to run its course and nab UConn and Temple. Yes Nova fans, Temple. That would make us must see TV in Philly with the top two programs in the town and add a big state school. Sooner or later we are going to need a ratings bump and I think those two schools would do it.

Either that or sprinkle steroids on the Duquesne program to get some TV coverage in a historic Big East city.

[TheBall]

Temple has no fans.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4867 ... kingly-bad


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/col ... about.html

And temple is a horrible institutional fit. Would be like adding cincy again. Ugh. No community colleges.

[TheBall]

Last 2 decades rough ball?

Since 2000 these are UD RPI
50,58,61,20,41,119,184,76,29,27,36,79,91,115,33, currently 36

The 119 & 184 & 115 were coaching change years and from what I read here there won't be any coaching changes in Big East because of the prestige and $'s so Dayton inclusion eliminates those blips. In all of these years except for 2006 UD has been outstanding in the OOC but for several reason faltered in A10. A couple of season were marred by injury and frankly A10 coaches had Brian Gregory's # but with that knock on BG it must be noted he had an incredible record against BCS teams.

Since 1974 dayton has made it out on f the first weekend of the tournament only twice.
Last year was their first trip out of the first weekend since 1984.
In the last 30 years dayton has won a game in the ncaa tournament in only four of those season.

Yes, it's been a rough couple of decades for Dayton.

[Xudash]

Last 2 decades rough ball?

Since 2000 these are UD RPI
50,58,61,20,41,119,184,76,29,27,36,79,91,115,33, currently 36

The 119 & 184 & 115 were coaching change years and from what I read here there won't be any coaching changes in Big East because of the prestige and $'s so Dayton inclusion eliminates those blips. In all of these years except for 2006 UD has been outstanding in the OOC but for several reason faltered in A10. A couple of season were marred by injury and frankly A10 coaches had Brian Gregory's # but with that knock on BG it must be noted he had an incredible record against BCS teams.

UD isn't going to get into the Big East so you can stop pushing it. Nobody around here gives a rat's ass about UD. It doesn't have a national reputation and otherwise doesn't offer enough to the Big East to warrant serious consideration. RPI numbers! Sure, THAT's what Big East programs care about. How about NCAA Tournament success. That's what people around here really care about. And UD has had comparatively little of it - it took UD 30 years to get back to the E8.

UD isn't stainable with Archie Miller, because he's, well, he's Sean MIller's brother. Archie Miller will bolt Dayton, Ohio very quickly IF he is able to sustain any success. Of course, it will be difficult to do that if he continues to recruit thieves that get themselves kicked off the team.

[Bill Marsh]

Wait for the football fantasy to run its course and nab UConn and Temple. Yes Nova fans, Temple. That would make us must see TV in Philly with the top two programs in the town and add a big state school. Sooner or later we are going to need a ratings bump and I think those two schools would do it.

Either that or sprinkle steroids on the Duquesne program to get some TV coverage in a historic Big East city.

You can say the same thing about Dayton. In a state that's dominated by OSU and in a region where X is Competing with Cincy, doubling down with a 2nd team in the region with a strong fan base would increase the BE presence in Ohio.

The power conferences have thrived not because one team brings a market that it dominates but because in-state rivalries intensify local interest. Having 2 teams in a market doesn't seem to have hurt anyone's chances to be successful. In North Carolina, for example, all 3 teams in the research triangle have won multiple national championships. Michigan State and Michigan have both won national championships. Same thing for football in Alabama. Many other examples in which 2 teams have been successful, helped by sharing the same market and not hurt by it.

[yeti47]

This will sound weird but Big East needs to expand west. Lol. Two teams St Louis and Wichita state. If 14 teams Gonzaga and VCU. I only say those two. 1) market of St Louis. 2) Wichita state Creighton's old rival (tv ratings boost) it's a fierce rivalry hatred type games in every sport.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Wait for the football fantasy to run its course and nab UConn and Temple. Yes Nova fans, Temple. That would make us must see TV in Philly with the top two programs in the town and add a big state school. Sooner or later we are going to need a ratings bump and I think those two schools would do it.

Either that or sprinkle steroids on the Duquesne program to get some TV coverage in a historic Big East city.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Same reason X wouldn't want Dayton or Cincy. Same reason Gtwn doesn't want GW or VCU (to a lesser degree), same reason PC doesn't want URI, same reason SJU wouldn't want Fordham. If VNova said they didn't want Temple in the BE, would Creighton and any other team say "sorry, but Temple is who we want" or would they stand by their conference brethren, who has been very instrumental in this league having the cred that it has. If XU didn't want Cincy or Dayton, I know that would be enough for me. We don't need two teams in one market. No, no, no to Temple. Ever... Not kidding.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Wait for the football fantasy to run its course and nab UConn and Temple. Yes Nova fans, Temple. That would make us must see TV in Philly with the top two programs in the town and add a big state school. Sooner or later we are going to need a ratings bump and I think those two schools would do it.

Either that or sprinkle steroids on the Duquesne program to get some TV coverage in a historic Big East city.

You can say the same thing about Dayton. In a state that's dominated by OSU and in a region where X is Competing with Cincy, doubling down with a 2nd team in the region with a strong fan base would increase the BE presence in Ohio.

The power conferences have thrived not because one team brings a market that it dominates but because in-state rivalries intensify local interest. Having 2 teams in a market doesn't seem to have hurt anyone's chances to be successful. In North Carolina, for example, all 3 teams in the research triangle have won multiple national championships. Michigan State and Michigan have both won national championships. Same thing for football in Alabama. Many other examples in which 2 teams have been successful, helped by sharing the same market and not hurt by it.

I disagree. The teams you mention all have a long history and are big state schools. Mich and Mich St would be successful with or without each other. Te same with the others. We are not the ACC or the B1G. We don't need to be like the A10 which has multiple small schools/small programs in the same market. That's fine for ESPN 8, and regional CBS Sports, not for an outlet that has aspirations to unseat ESPN. If we are going to tout ourselves as the best national BB only conference we don't need to worry about regional rivalries. Duke and Syr are a draw because they are both good, not because they are down the road from each other. Let's find new markets. UCONN: yes. Temple hasn't done anything of note for a generation. Go check their tourney results the past 20 years. Pedestrian at best.

[Bill Marsh]

Wait for the football fantasy to run its course and nab UConn and Temple. Yes Nova fans, Temple. That would make us must see TV in Philly with the top two programs in the town and add a big state school. Sooner or later we are going to need a ratings bump and I think those two schools would do it.

Either that or sprinkle steroids on the Duquesne program to get some TV coverage in a historic Big East city.

Nope. Nope. Nope. Same reason X wouldn't want Dayton or Cincy. Same reason Gtwn doesn't want GW or VCU (to a lesser degree), same reason PC doesn't want URI, same reason SJU wouldn't want Fordham. If VNova said they didn't want Temple in the BE, would Creighton and any other team say "sorry, but Temple is who we want" or would they stand by their conference brethren, who has been very instrumental in this league having the cred that it has. If XU didn't want Cincy or Dayton, I know that would be enough for me. We don't need two teams in one market. No, no, no to Temple. Ever... Not kidding.

I agree that the Big East doesn't need a 2nd team in the Philly market because Villanova is that big. But there are markets where a 2nd team could improve market penetration. I think that Cincinnati-Dayton is one of those markets. (Admittedly speaking as an outsider to that market.)

BC, for example, would benefit tremendously from having UConn in the ACC. They foolishly oppose their addition. They continue to decline despite supposedly having "eliminated competition" in the New England market. (Speaking as an insider to this market.)