Fox Sports 1 Update

[MUPanther]

Not the best PR
http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/big-eas ... rts-1.html

The only way to change this is to make our teams must-see TV. Make sure games like Villanova-Butler end up in good time slots on good networks on good days. Granted, Butler wasn't supposed to be the best, but....Valentine's night on CBS Sports Net? Geez. You're asking for nothing but Wildcats & Bulldogs diehards to watch. Everyone else will catch up on Sunday's SportsCenter...which will focus on the game for about 45 seconds.

At the beginning of the BE season, couldn't we have moved this game to Sunday on FOX? I know its a sell-out, but the TV audience will be pitiful for a top 25 matchup.

Another question, could CBS move this to the big network? Looks like local news and re-runs that night.

Games are picked in August, so games can't be moved from network to another network. I'll be watching on CBSN, as I love that network!

[Jet915]

Pretty lame article IMO. First, the Big East ratings this year are better than last year. Second, he compares Big East ratings to basketball ratings on the big ESPN channel. You compare anything on Fox Sports 1 to main ESPN and you are gonna lose big time. Right now, FS1 is comparable and better than ESPNU/NBC Sports Network/CBS Sports Network.

Lastly, Big East games have regularly received better ratings than Pac-12 games. Is anyone saying there is a Pac-12 problem? For example, the games from January 19-25 were as follows:

7 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Georgetown at Marquette Sat 2:34PM- 5:09PM 155 0.1 233
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Butler Wed 9:14PM-11:31PM 137 0.1 173
9 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Xavier Sat 12:00PM- 2:08PM 128 0.1 161
10 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Villanova at Georgetown Mon 9:00PM-11:26PM 146 0.1 154
12 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Villanova Sun 7:00PM- 9:00PM 120 0.1 130
15 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Marquette at St. John’s Wed 7:00PM- 9:14PM 134 0.1 107
16 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: PAC 12: Washington at Colorado Thu 9:30PM-11:29PM 119 0.1 94
24 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Seton Hall Thu 7:00PM- 9:27PM 147 0.1 82

[HoosierPal]

Not the best PR
http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/big-eas ... rts-1.html

The only way to change this is to make our teams must-see TV. Make sure games like Villanova-Butler end up in good time slots on good networks on good days. Granted, Butler wasn't supposed to be the best, but....Valentine's night on CBS Sports Net? Geez. You're asking for nothing but Wildcats & Bulldogs diehards to watch. Everyone else will catch up on Sunday's SportsCenter...which will focus on the game for about 45 seconds.

At the beginning of the BE season, couldn't we have moved this game to Sunday on FOX? I know its a sell-out, but the TV audience will be pitiful for a top 25 matchup.

Another question, could CBS move this to the big network? Looks like local news and re-runs that night.

Games are picked in August, so games can't be moved from network to another network. I'll be watching on CBSN, as I love that network!

I don't think there is a quick fix for this. I haven't looked at the numbers, but my guess is that the subscription to Fox Sports 1 isn't what Fox had hoped for. I know the game referenced that was 'the worst draw ever' was on Fox's main channel. The Big East is made up of relatively speaking small schools that don't have hundreds of thousands of alumni that the state schools have. The brand took a huge hit when the split occurred. Face it, when you replace Notre Dame, Syracuse and Louisville with Creighton, Butler and Xavier, your brand has decreased. Casual fans outside of the Big East footprint won't watch Butler like they would watch Louisville.

To get more people watching you need more cities involved. More cities = more teams = more viewers. I'm not sure where those cities are. Maybe a second NY team would significantly increase viewers in NY. Maybe a second team in Philly would turn on more Philly TV's than current. Nothing should be taken off the table.

[MUPanther]

FS1 is in over 85 million homes. Problem is, it's not on all simple basic packages.To get more watching you need more conferences. They do have the Pac-12, but that's only 31 games. Important to get some of the new B1G tv deal.

[billyjack]

Pretty lame article IMO. First, the Big East ratings this year are better than last year. Second, he compares Big East ratings to basketball ratings on the big ESPN channel. You compare anything on Fox Sports 1 to main ESPN and you are gonna lose big time. Right now, FS1 is comparable and better than ESPNU/NBC Sports Network/CBS Sports Network.

Lastly, Big East games have regularly received better ratings than Pac-12 games. Is anyone saying there is a Pac-12 problem? For example, the games from January 19-25 were as follows:

7 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Georgetown at Marquette Sat 2:34PM- 5:09PM 155 0.1 233
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Butler Wed 9:14PM-11:31PM 137 0.1 173
9 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Xavier Sat 12:00PM- 2:08PM 128 0.1 161
10 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Villanova at Georgetown Mon 9:00PM-11:26PM 146 0.1 154
12 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Villanova Sun 7:00PM- 9:00PM 120 0.1 130
15 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Marquette at St. John’s Wed 7:00PM- 9:14PM 134 0.1 107
16 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: PAC 12: Washington at Colorado Thu 9:30PM-11:29PM 119 0.1 94
24 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Seton Hall Thu 7:00PM- 9:27PM 147 0.1 82

Thanks for this post Jet. I might use it in the Friars forum, because a UConn fan has decided to drop some misleading information in one of the threads.

[Gopher+RamFan]

Pretty lame article IMO. First, the Big East ratings this year are better than last year. Second, he compares Big East ratings to basketball ratings on the big ESPN channel. You compare anything on Fox Sports 1 to main ESPN and you are gonna lose big time. Right now, FS1 is comparable and better than ESPNU/NBC Sports Network/CBS Sports Network.

Lastly, Big East games have regularly received better ratings than Pac-12 games. Is anyone saying there is a Pac-12 problem? For example, the games from January 19-25 were as follows:

7 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Georgetown at Marquette Sat 2:34PM- 5:09PM 155 0.1 233
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Butler Wed 9:14PM-11:31PM 137 0.1 173
9 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Xavier Sat 12:00PM- 2:08PM 128 0.1 161
10 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Villanova at Georgetown Mon 9:00PM-11:26PM 146 0.1 154
12 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Villanova Sun 7:00PM- 9:00PM 120 0.1 130
15 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Marquette at St. John’s Wed 7:00PM- 9:14PM 134 0.1 107
16 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: PAC 12: Washington at Colorado Thu 9:30PM-11:29PM 119 0.1 94
24 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Seton Hall Thu 7:00PM- 9:27PM 147 0.1 82

Valid points, but your comparing some BE games to the 11th placed PAC12 team against the 9th placed team. Neither of those are big hoops programs. My brother is a CU grad, still follows their horrendous football team, but won't watch much of their bball.

Another poster mentioned losing "brands" like ND, Louisville and Syracuse. Those brand teams are also public institutions (at least SU and Louisville) and churning out alumni at a great rate than private institutions. My VCU fandom aside, does anyone else think that is a factor (even if it's a small one?). When a public school is graduating 7-9k a year, it may make a difference.

Of course I think the private schools have a higher alumni donor rate, as well as post-grad median earnings.

[billyjack]

Pretty lame article IMO. First, the Big East ratings this year are better than last year. Second, he compares Big East ratings to basketball ratings on the big ESPN channel. You compare anything on Fox Sports 1 to main ESPN and you are gonna lose big time. Right now, FS1 is comparable and better than ESPNU/NBC Sports Network/CBS Sports Network.

Lastly, Big East games have regularly received better ratings than Pac-12 games. Is anyone saying there is a Pac-12 problem? For example, the games from January 19-25 were as follows:

7 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Georgetown at Marquette Sat 2:34PM- 5:09PM 155 0.1 233
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Butler Wed 9:14PM-11:31PM 137 0.1 173
9 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Xavier Sat 12:00PM- 2:08PM 128 0.1 161
10 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Villanova at Georgetown Mon 9:00PM-11:26PM 146 0.1 154
12 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Villanova Sun 7:00PM- 9:00PM 120 0.1 130
15 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Marquette at St. John’s Wed 7:00PM- 9:14PM 134 0.1 107
16 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: PAC 12: Washington at Colorado Thu 9:30PM-11:29PM 119 0.1 94
24 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Seton Hall Thu 7:00PM- 9:27PM 147 0.1 82

Valid points, but your comparing some BE games to the 11th placed PAC12 team against the 9th placed team. Neither of those are big hoops programs. My brother is a CU grad, still follows their horrendous football team, but won't watch much of their bball.

Another poster mentioned losing "brands" like ND, Louisville and Syracuse. Those brand teams are also public institutions (at least SU and Louisville) and churning out alumni at a great rate than private institutions. My VCU fandom aside, does anyone else think that is a factor (even if it's a small one?). When a public school is graduating 7-9k a year, it may make a difference.

Of course I think the private schools have a higher alumni donor rate, as well as post-grad median earnings.

Couple of points...

- Syracuse is actually private, though they have a ton of alumni.

- Big East schools have always drawn fans from beyond their alumni base. The schools' hoops teams belong to all the fans in each of our metro areas. Most Friars fans that i know never went to PC, including me.

[MUPanther]

In some slight fairness to the Washington at Colorado game. Colorado has been a ncaa tourament the past few years and Washington at the time of the game was projected as a ncaa tourament team at the time.

As for the Pac-12 TV deal with ESPN and FOX. For FOX to get a 50/50 split in football, they get 22 basketball games to ESPN 44 and the rest goes to the Pac-12 Networks.

[HoosierPal]

FS1 is in over 85 million homes. Problem is, it's not on all simple basic packages.To get more watching you need more conferences. They do have the Pac-12, but that's only 31 games. Important to get some of the new B1G tv deal.

Then that makes this whole thing even worse!

From the Article:

As for Fox Sports 1, the Big East isn’t attracting eyeballs either. While some games are seeing audiences over 100,000 and 200,000 viewers, ESPN has seen two of its games top over 3 million viewers and others over 2.5 million.

Fox Sports 1 had games like Marquette-St. John’s draw about 107,000 viewers and 82,000 for DePaul-Seton Hall.

In addition, Fox Sports 1 had games like St. John’s Providence last month average 48,000 viewers, DePaul-Creighton early in January garner an average of 77,000 and a Creighton-Georgetown game just after the New Year had 58,000 viewers.

[Gopher+RamFan]

Pretty lame article IMO. First, the Big East ratings this year are better than last year. Second, he compares Big East ratings to basketball ratings on the big ESPN channel. You compare anything on Fox Sports 1 to main ESPN and you are gonna lose big time. Right now, FS1 is comparable and better than ESPNU/NBC Sports Network/CBS Sports Network.

Lastly, Big East games have regularly received better ratings than Pac-12 games. Is anyone saying there is a Pac-12 problem? For example, the games from January 19-25 were as follows:

7 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Georgetown at Marquette Sat 2:34PM- 5:09PM 155 0.1 233
8 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Butler Wed 9:14PM-11:31PM 137 0.1 173
9 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Xavier Sat 12:00PM- 2:08PM 128 0.1 161
10 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Villanova at Georgetown Mon 9:00PM-11:26PM 146 0.1 154
12 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Creighton at Villanova Sun 7:00PM- 9:00PM 120 0.1 130
15 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: Marquette at St. John’s Wed 7:00PM- 9:14PM 134 0.1 107
16 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: PAC 12: Washington at Colorado Thu 9:30PM-11:29PM 119 0.1 94
24 COLLEGE BASKETBALL: BIG EAST: DePaul at Seton Hall Thu 7:00PM- 9:27PM 147 0.1 82

Valid points, but your comparing some BE games to the 11th placed PAC12 team against the 9th placed team. Neither of those are big hoops programs. My brother is a CU grad, still follows their horrendous football team, but won't watch much of their bball.

Another poster mentioned losing "brands" like ND, Louisville and Syracuse. Those brand teams are also public institutions (at least SU and Louisville) and churning out alumni at a great rate than private institutions. My VCU fandom aside, does anyone else think that is a factor (even if it's a small one?). When a public school is graduating 7-9k a year, it may make a difference.

Of course I think the private schools have a higher alumni donor rate, as well as post-grad median earnings.

Couple of points...

- Syracuse is actually private, though they have a ton of alumni.

- Big East schools have always drawn fans from beyond their alumni base. The schools' hoops teams belong to all the fans in each of our metro areas. Most Friars fans that i know never went to PC, including me.

Good to know, Cuse just seems like a public institution.

I think the Big East benefits from having great history and the coolness factor from the 80s/90s of being on TV all the time. Growing up in DC, obviously it was Georgetown/Maryland who was always on television. I'll be curious to see how it goes forward with many channels showing CBB, making it easier to connect with teams without being an alumni.