St. Johns - undisciplined and immature

[indienapolis]

I don't post here much, but as another Butler fan and Midwesterner, I feel like I should raise my voice lest I allow this Hoosier stereotype to fester. I don't buy into this street kid vs. rural kid being predictive of on court behavior. It's not so subtly racist and grossly inaccurate. Butler prides itself on it's culture and discipline and I'm proud to say that's what you see on display on the court. It may be a small private school, but it's in the middle of a major urban city which recruits from many inner city high schools. I too was baffled at the immature bullsh-- SJU was representing, but not for a second to I see it as a byproduct of unruly city kids. It's already been said, and I agree, it seems like a failure of leadership rooted in the disappointment of underachievement. You could see the frustration all over their faces.

As someone who is stoked about Butler's inclusion in the big leagues, I don't want to see Midwesterners maligned as a bunch of naive, racist hicks. Like everyone else I want to see the whole league at it's best, and I hope SJU can get it's house in order. It was a bad look for them last night. Ok, rant over. Love reading the site. Keep up the good work.

[Irishdawg]

While the performance last night by St. John's was embarrassing, let's not get too far afield here. Trash talking? This is the Big East, it's how these schools roll and have rolled for decades. Jones laughing and clapping at Sir Dom after the tech was not trash talking or taunting? Sure it was. But this is the Big East and you need to handle it. The shot by Obekpa was cheap and he deserved to be tossed. But, there has been much worse in this league over the years. Butler fans should not be so offended. The game was handled properly by the refs, the Johnnies got the thumping they deserved, and everybody moves on. When the Johnnies and Cuse came to blows in December after a flagrent 1 foul on Rysheed Jordan, Jim Boeheim was asked about it after in light of no ejections. He basically said it was a Big East type game - no ejections needed - we just want to play. Again, Obekpa should have been ejected, but you move on. You should check out Requiem for the Big East. Lots of what Louie Carnesecca called just a "subway tap". I hate the flop as well - ridiculous. I would bench Pointer for part of Saturday's game for it. But I've seen Doug McDermott take his share of flops as well, he's just a better actor than Pointer. So relax Butler and enjoy your season. You are doing well.

This... the season series is over. If they play each other again in MSG during the tournament, it'll get brought back up, but at this point with 8 tough games left in the conference season, I'm ready to move on to DePaul, which is going to be anything but easy.

[indienapolis]

with 8 tough games left in the conference season, I'm ready to move on to DePaul, which is going to be anything but easy.

Agree.

[mel ott]

I don't post here much, but as another Butler fan and Midwesterner, I feel like I should raise my voice lest I allow this Hoosier stereotype to fester. I don't buy into this street kid vs. rural kid being predictive of on court behavior. It's not so subtly racist and grossly inaccurate. Butler prides itself on it's culture and discipline and I'm proud to say that's what you see on display on the court. It may be a small private school, but it's in the middle of a major urban city which recruits from many inner city high schools. I too was baffled at the immature bullsh-- SJU was representing, but not for a second to I see it as a byproduct of unruly city kids. It's already been said, and I agree, it seems like a failure of leadership rooted in the disappointment of underachievement. You could see the frustration all over their faces.

As someone who is stoked about Butler's inclusion in the big leagues, I don't want to see Midwesterners maligned as a bunch of naive, racist hicks. Like everyone else I want to see the whole league at it's best, and I hope SJU can get it's house in order. It was a bad look for them last night. Ok, rant over. Love reading the site. Keep up the good work.

as others had posted. Our "midwestern teams" are not in the sticks with Cin.,Indy, and Omaha. Great cities. A lot of advantages w/o a lot of the problems w/ the biggest cities. Another example of our players vs where they came from, Creighton's team members and locations:


Manvel, TX Leon Gilmore III

The Colony, TX Austin Chatman

Mullen, NE Gabriel Connealy

Denver, CO Ronnie Harrell

Harlem, NY Devin Brooks

Philadelphia, PA Mo Watson Jr.

Overland Park, KS Tyler Clement

Altadena, CA Cole Huff

Columbia, MO Rick Kreklow

Minneapolis, MN Isaiah Zierden

Branson, MO Avery Dingman

Siler City, NC James Milliken

Waukee, IA Will Artino

Berlin, WI Toby Hegner

Pierre, SD Zach Hanson

Plano, TX Geoffrey Groselle

St. Louis, MO Mogboluwaga Oginni
Ok. so we have the Harlem and Philly kid (both great kids). The kid from the real farm, Mullen Ne is where every New Yorker would want to visit- home to one of the very best golf courses in the U.S. Again, "we newcomers" love being in the Big East. But a little respect- these are quality cities and schools. This is addressed to a few of the big city commentators. The vast majority of this group has been a pleasant surprise. # Go Big East.

[R Jay]

The kid from the real farm, Mullen Ne is where every New Yorker would want to visit- home to one of the very best golf courses in the U.S.

I can personally attest to this. Sand Hills Golf Club is incredible, but its new neighbor Dismal River is getting closer with each round.

[78 friar]

I honestly believe that if a poll was taken amongst the big east fans, both new and old, St. Johns would win the most hated team in the conference award in a landslide. For the conference sake, its time for St. Johns to get rid of Lavin, come up with some cash, and get Billy Donovan back home to New York to bring a once proud program back to respectability.

[RedStormHoops]

I honestly believe that if a poll was taken amongst the big east fans, both new and old, St. Johns would win the most hated team in the conference award in a landslide.

Excuse me while I go cry into a pillow

[billyjack]

As a general rule, I think that teams that trash-talk lose their focus.

Georgetown back in the day would intimidate and crack some skulls, but they stayed disciplined in game action.

A team back in the late 80's that had great talent but a crappy attitude was Pitt. That's why the greatest highlight in Pitt hoops history isn't cutting down nets at a Final Four, but instead is a mid-season dunk that broke a backboard.

A great, disciplined but tough attitude team that SJU had was in around 90-91-92. I think they made an Elite-8, and had Boo Harvey, SG was Buchanan, had Billy Singleton, maybe Malik Sealy and Robert Werdann at C... they played mainly those 5 guys... that was a team that didn't take sh*t from anyone, but didn't trash talk and got great results. A bunch of NYC kids too. Louie was still coaching them back then. This is the type of team I think SJU should or could be this year.

edit-- of course, Jayson Williams arrived in the mid-90's and was out of control... didn't he throw something at the crowd, a chair or something...?

[FriarJ]

No team has celebrated their pre-season rankings or expectations more than the Johnnies and once again it has bit them in the butt. Lavin needs to do a better job of corralling this. He has patently failed as a leader.

[NJRedman]

I don't post here much, but as another Butler fan and Midwesterner, I feel like I should raise my voice lest I allow this Hoosier stereotype to fester. I don't buy into this street kid vs. rural kid being predictive of on court behavior. It's not so subtly racist and grossly inaccurate. Butler prides itself on it's culture and discipline and I'm proud to say that's what you see on display on the court. It may be a small private school, but it's in the middle of a major urban city which recruits from many inner city high schools. I too was baffled at the immature bullsh-- SJU was representing, but not for a second to I see it as a byproduct of unruly city kids. It's already been said, and I agree, it seems like a failure of leadership rooted in the disappointment of underachievement. You could see the frustration all over their faces.

As someone who is stoked about Butler's inclusion in the big leagues, I don't want to see Midwesterners maligned as a bunch of naive, racist hicks. Like everyone else I want to see the whole league at it's best, and I hope SJU can get it's house in order. It was a bad look for them last night. Ok, rant over. Love reading the site. Keep up the good work.

Why do Butler fans forget that their own guy was T'd up that night as well? I know we had 2 Techs but they had 1 as well. Maybe they need to clean up their program and stop being an embarrassment. hahahahaha

BTW did you see the kid flinch like a bitch when Pointer turned around and looked at him? hahahahaha