Bracketology - January 26, 2015

[Omaha1]

How many Big East teams would have gone 7-3 vs top 100 teams right now, like what VCU has done? With all being actually top 75. Right now, the VCU SOS is #2 in the country. It's not like they have played all terrible teams except for the losses.

VCU has 2 OOC wins over teams that might make the NCAA tournament - Northern Iowa and Cincinnati. Neither of those are exactly high level wins.

[milksteak]

Anyone else think Westbrook#36 is a tool?

Why? Because a VCU fan got on and made the ridiculous statement:
"VCU's half-court defense has improved tremendously since the 'Nova game, and I think we'd beat Nova convincingly today."

Yeah I didn't take the time to read back in the thread. My bad.

[redmen9194]

I just jumped in to the end of this thread and have a question. We care about VCU why?

[milksteak]

I just jumped in to the end of this thread and have a question. We care about VCU why?

99% of the Big East wants to add them. Then there's the 1% like myself that wants HACKOC and VCU's crappy academics to stay in the A-10.

[stever20]

How many Big East teams would have gone 7-3 vs top 100 teams right now, like what VCU has done? With all being actually top 75. Right now, the VCU SOS is #2 in the country. It's not like they have played all terrible teams except for the losses.

VCU has 2 OOC wins over teams that might make the NCAA tournament - Northern Iowa and Cincinnati. Neither of those are exactly high level wins.

Tennessee can make the tourney. Belmont can make the NCAA tournament. Oregon no pushover.

Also- Northern Iowa and Cincy both right now would be top 25 wins. Can't get much better than that....

Not many Big East teams would be 17-3 against that schedule. 2 likely losses right off the bat vs Nova and UVA. Going 17-1 vs everything else? Possible but not likely I would say.

[stever20]

RPI does give more credit to road wins, but doesn't punish for road losses as much.

let's look-
Butler- right now 15-6(.714) Home 10-1, road 3-3, neutral 2-2. RPI 14 SOS 7
Xavier- Right now 14-7(.667). Home 11-0, road 2-5, neutral 1-2. RPI 26 SOS 12

RPI own records- Butler 12.2-5.2(.701), Xavier 10.4-5(.675)

Part of Xavier's high RPI is they have no home losses. Those are big. Let's say for discussions sake they lost an extra home game, but won an extra road game...
Home 10-1 (6-1.4), road 3-4 (4.2-2.4), neutral 1-2. add that up and they are 11.2-5.8. (.659) .016 lower. That alone would be .004 in RPI lower. 2 spots in the RPI right now. However, the committee would be looking at Xavier a whole lot more favorably quite frankly because how you play away from home is factored in big time because that is where you play in the NCAA tourney.

Shouldn't they just adjust RPI to increase the weight of road wins more? It just seems crazy that there is no real metric for determining how the seeds will be determined.

I think what they should do is have it where away losses count 1.0 instead of 0.6...

So using Butler/Xavier right now-
Butler=10-1 at home (6-1.4) 3-3 away(4.2-3), 2-2 neutral. Total of 12.2-6.4 or .6559 (instead of 12.2-5.2)
Xavier=11=0 home (6.6-0), 2-5 road(2.8-5), 1-2 neutral. Total of 10.4-7 or .5977 (instead of 10.4-5)

That rewards teams that go out and get road wins- but doesn't give teams almost a free shot at a road game.

[ivet]

I just jumped in to the end of this thread and have a question. We care about VCU why?

99% of the Big East wants to add them. Then there's the 1% like myself that wants HACKOC and VCU's crappy academics to stay in the A-10.

Who are these 99% people? Stever? Stever seems to be the only one that wants to add them. I on the other hand would just like to have Shaka Smart be a coach in the BE.

[GumbyDamnit!]

What's really funny about questioning if Nova is too reliant on the 3 is when you find out that VCU attempts more 3's per game than Nova does. But don't let that little fact get in the way of your solid hoops knowledge.

I never said we didn't, did I? But we guard the 3 better than 'Nova does at this point, and I like the match-up with them. And we're better at scoring in other ways than in December. I'm not saying don't take the 3 when you get open looks, as we have, but 'Nova showed against GT that they tend to get desperate with the 3's. I saw them take a lot of contested 3's against GT.

Gotta love when you take the results of one game and assume that is indicative of how teams are all the time. Gtwn would have given UK a run for their money on that night. They were on. Period. You tip your cap and move on. Sometimes you get smoked (sort of like you guys vs. UVA and VU) and there is not much you can do about it.

So let's look how the "good" teams fared against that daunting VCU 3 pt D:

Nova - 39%
UVA - 55%
UNI - 46%
ODU - 53%
Cincy - 20%

Oh, I see... Cincy (and the dregs of the A-10) didn't shoot he ball well from 3 against you so that must mean you have a shut down 3 pt defense now. Did I get that right? Although when you played quality opponents somehow they were able to make 3 pt. shots at a very respectable rate. Hmm... again solid, solid point you are making, champ.

Here's the thing Sport, if you want to talk sh!t about how great your squad is vs. another team, you might want to pick a year when your squad didn't get their doors blown in by said team. Just a suggestion You're starting to remind me of the Dayton and Temple fans who like to tell you how much greater their leagues are than yours, but then beg for a spot at the your table when expansion is discussed. Enjoy being the tallest midget in the A-10 but stop this non-sense.

VU- 77. VCU - 53. Ouch!

[Hall2012]

I just jumped in to the end of this thread and have a question. We care about VCU why?

99% of the Big East wants to add them. Then there's the 1% like myself that wants HACKOC and VCU's crappy academics to stay in the A-10.

I'm with you on this one. VCU has a good team- no doubt about that, but it's not a good institutional fit and they don't offer anything that enhances the conference. This league is full of good teams. We have a great thing going right now with the current 10 team league. I'd only accept expanding to 12 if we can find 2 private schools that are household names in basketball with both recent success and a good, storied history of success. And even then, I'd prefer to stay at 10. The only one VCU really has is recent success (and I guess due to that you can argue they've become a bit of a household name).

[David HD]

Here is our's if you're interested. The video podcasts at the top go through each team as the seed list is built. I think the BE has five teams inside the bubble right now, and two more that could end up getting in.

Providence, Georgetown, Villanova, Butler and Saint John's all appear to have at least one out of conference win away from home against a solid tournament team. That's HUGE. Xavier still has a shot at going to Cincinnati. The league is sending at least half to the dance, and chances are it'll be more than that....

http://hoopshd.com/2015/01/30/bracket-p ... uary-30th/