RPI RANKING: FEEL FREE TO ADD OTHER RANKINGS

[Bill Marsh]

Here's how yesterday's games changed things at RPI Forecast:

BIG EAST

5. Villanova
20. Xavier
27. St. John's
28. Seton Hall
30. Butler
38. Providence
46. Georgetown
117. Marquette
127. Creighton
233. DePaul

With every game that they remain undefeated, Villanova's standing just gets stronger. Every win that Seton Hall gets with Whitehead out is huge for them. The loss to DePaul really hurt Marquette as we all knew, but Georgetown dropped more than I thought they would.

We're still looking at 7 teams in position for a tournament bid down the road

[stever20]

Here's how yesterday's games changed things at RPI Forecast:

BIG EAST

5. Villanova
20. Xavier
27. St. John's
28. Seton Hall
30. Butler
38. Providence
46. Georgetown
117. Marquette
127. Creighton
233. DePaul

With every game that they remain undefeated, Villanova's standing just gets stronger. Every win that Seton Hall gets with Whitehead out is huge for them. The loss to DePaul really hurt Marquette as we all knew, but Georgetown dropped more than I thought they would.

We're still looking at 7 teams in position for a tournament bid down the road

Georgetown dropped because of the big margin....

I wouldn't say Georgetown in position for a tourney bid with that. 46 is real fringe tourney with all the auto bids. Remember last year, last at large team was #47. Also being 17-12 as they're projecting- that tough to get in with that record. Would have to beat #2 team in the BET likely to make the tourney.

and I would say to get those ratings, we would have to have 6 and 7 finish with 9-9 records, and maybe 6 does, but 7th place teams just don't finish 9-9 all that much.

[EMT]

This year we are better off with 4 really good teams and hope to squeak in a 5th. We need 4 high rpi teams to get high ncaa seeds and try to get into the 2nd and 3rd weekend.

I'm worried if we get 6 or 7 bids we will have too many mediocre seeds.

[Fieldhouse Flyer]

RPI RANKINGS – JANUARY 1, 2015

BIG EAST

5 - Villanova (13-0)
14 - St. John's (11-2)
18 - Seton Hall (11-2)
19 - Providence (11-3)
31 - Butler (10-4)
43 - Xavier (10-3)
45 - Georgetown (8-4)
116 - Creighton (9-5)
133 - Marquette (8-5)
236 - DePaul (7-7)

OTHER TEAMS

4 - Virginia Commonwealth (10-3)
6 - Gonzaga (12-1)
16 - Dayton (10-2)
138 - Richmond (7-6)
260 - Saint Louis (7-5)

[robinreed]

ESPN RPI
014-15 RPI
RK (RPI) TEAM RPI D1 W-L SOS NCRP NCSS CFRP CFSS 1-25 26-50 51-100 L12 LRPI OFFQ DEFQ ASM
1 (5) Villanova .6859 13-0 38 8 47 6 20 1-0 2-0 3-0 12-0 15 12.5 11.0 23.5
2 (10) St. John's .6458 10-2 32 7 51 50 11 0-2 0-0 4-0 10-2 4 4.7 13.9 18.6
3 (14) Providence .6326 11-3 18 25 22 12 34 0-1 1-0 6-0 9-3 7 6.5 9.9 16.4
4 (15) Seton Hall .6301 11-2 99 4 149 2 7 1-2 1-0 3-0 10-2 70 7.6 9.2 16.8
5 (28) Butler .6095 10-4 37 11 78 47 8 1-1 1-1 1-2 8-4 36 4.6 14.3 18.9
6 (39) Georgetown .5943 8-4 15 29 26 72 27 0-2 0-2 2-0 8-4 31 9.6 5.4 14.9
7 (40) Xavier .5922 10-3 111 20 135 9 26 0-0 2-0 2-3 9-3 121 16.5 3.3 19.8
8 (98) Creighton .5415 9-5 152 23 193 63 18 0-1 1-1 1-2 7-5 104 6.4 5.0 11.3
9 (113) Marquette .5333 8-5 117 69 112 107 81 0-1 1-0 1-2 7-5 66 5.3 6.9 12.2
10 (232) DePaul .4629 7-7 275 53 298 14 37 0-0 0-1 1-2 5-7 224 9.9 -4.6 5.3

REAL TIME RPI
Men's Basketball - Big East (2014-2015)

Conf. RPI Rank: 2 Conf. SOS Rank: 1

Only games against Division I opponents are counted.
Last updated - Thu Jan 1 13:39:57 PST 2015
View Power Ratings View Real Time RPIsvip
RPI Rk Big East Conf All RPI SOS Rk SOS
Up 2 From Last Week 5 Villanova 1-0 13-0 0.6845 26 0.5793
Up 3 From Last Week 13 St. John's 0-1 10-2 0.6335 20 0.5838
Up 4 From Last Week 17 Seton Hall 1-0 11-2 0.6288 68 0.5459
Up 4 From Last Week 18 Providence 1-0 11-3 0.6281 19 0.5875
Up 3 From Last Week 34 Butler 0-1 10-4 0.6037 36 0.5703
Up 11 From Last WeekUp 11 From Last Week 45 Xavier 1-0 10-3 0.5919 74 0.5444
Down 15 From Last WeekDown 15 From Last Week 48 Georgetown 0-1 8-4 0.5897 15 0.5918
Up 7 From Last Week 115 Creighton 0-1 9-5 0.5328 153 0.5067
Down 24 From Last WeekDown 24 From Last Week 132 Marquette 0-1 8-5 0.5229 122 0.5210
Up 36 From Last WeekUp 36 From Last Week 233 DePaul 1-0 7-7 0.4556 247 0.4686

[mpwalsh8]

It is interesting to read this stuff - any chance you can add links to the site(s) you pull the data from? I'd be interested in looking at some of the other teams which are in the vicinity of the various BE teams.

[TheBall]

Here's how yesterday's games changed things at RPI Forecast:

BIG EAST

5. Villanova
20. Xavier
27. St. John's
28. Seton Hall
30. Butler
38. Providence
46. Georgetown
117. Marquette
127. Creighton
233. DePaul

With every game that they remain undefeated, Villanova's standing just gets stronger. Every win that Seton Hall gets with Whitehead out is huge for them. The loss to DePaul really hurt Marquette as we all knew, but Georgetown dropped more than I thought they would.

We're still looking at 7 teams in position for a tournament bid down the road

Georgetown dropped because of the big margin....

I wouldn't say Georgetown in position for a tourney bid with that. 46 is real fringe tourney with all the auto bids. Remember last year, last at large team was #47. Also being 17-12 as they're projecting- that tough to get in with that record. Would have to beat #2 team in the BET likely to make the tourney.

and I would say to get those ratings, we would have to have 6 and 7 finish with 9-9 records, and maybe 6 does, but 7th place teams just don't finish 9-9 all that much.

Margin of victory is not a factor in rpi. Not sure that it is in rpi forecast either (I think they just make every lower ranked rpi team win the matchups, it is not a projector that takes into account offensive and defensive efficiency like kenpom.)

[stever20]

Here's how yesterday's games changed things at RPI Forecast:

BIG EAST

5. Villanova
20. Xavier
27. St. John's
28. Seton Hall
30. Butler
38. Providence
46. Georgetown
117. Marquette
127. Creighton
233. DePaul

With every game that they remain undefeated, Villanova's standing just gets stronger. Every win that Seton Hall gets with Whitehead out is huge for them. The loss to DePaul really hurt Marquette as we all knew, but Georgetown dropped more than I thought they would.

We're still looking at 7 teams in position for a tournament bid down the road

Georgetown dropped because of the big margin....

I wouldn't say Georgetown in position for a tourney bid with that. 46 is real fringe tourney with all the auto bids. Remember last year, last at large team was #47. Also being 17-12 as they're projecting- that tough to get in with that record. Would have to beat #2 team in the BET likely to make the tourney.

and I would say to get those ratings, we would have to have 6 and 7 finish with 9-9 records, and maybe 6 does, but 7th place teams just don't finish 9-9 all that much.

Margin of victory is not a factor in rpi. Not sure that it is in rpi forecast either (I think they just make every lower ranked rpi team win the matchups, it is not a projector that takes into account offensive and defensive efficiency like kenpom.)

right. However, given that RPI forecast uses the Sagarin predictor ratings to make the ratings, MOV absolutely would come into play there...

[robinreed]

It is interesting to read this stuff - any chance you can add links to the site(s) you pull the data from? I'd be interested in looking at some of the other teams which are in the vicinity of the various BE teams.

I recommend real time rpi, teamrankings and espn rankings as the best. I do have problems with Lunardi however by mid way in the season he is equally accurate. rpiforecast is also good and well worth looking at.


http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball ... etball-rpi
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/polls?poll=5
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... index1ther
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html
http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basket ... ictive-by-
http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html
Ken Pomeroy has a good site as well.

CAN ANY OTHER POSTERS ADD ADDITIONAL SITES FOR MPWALSH8? IF SO PLEASE DO SO.

[robinreed]

LISTED ARE SEVERAL NON P5 CONFERENCES WHICH WILL HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS IN THE DANCE. CLEARLY OF THESE NON P5 CONFERENCES THE BIG EAST IS FAR AND AWAY SUPERIOR. WHAT IS DISTURBING IS ALL THE MINOR LEAGUE CONFERENCES WHICH RECEIVE AN AUTO BID (IT APPEARS TO BE 20 IN NUMBER) WHICH HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR RECEIVING A BID EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE NCAA AS CONFERENCES.
One understands why the P5 talk of founding a separate division or breaking away from the NCAA.

Big East Conference (4.4 Projected Bids)
Projected Seed Current Record & Projected Finish NCAA Tournament Bid Odds Seed Projection Detail
Seed S-Curve Team Proj W/L Bid Auto Bid At Large Bid Avg Seed 1-4 Seed 1 Seed
2 6 Villanova (13-0) 28-3 100% 47% 53% 2.4 91% 29%
6 21 Xavier (10-3) 21-10 78% 14% 64% 6.4 23% 1%
9 33 Butler (10-4) 21-10 70% 13% 57% 7.8 11% 0%
11 42 St Johns (11-2) 20-11 50% 6% 44% 8.4 5% 0%
13 51 Georgetown (8-4) 18-11 50% 8% 42% 9.0 3% 0%
Providence (11-3) 19-12 43% 5% 38% 8.1 5% 0%
Seton Hall (11-2) 19-11 41% 4% 36% 9.4 2% 0%
Creighton (9-5) 16-15 4% 1% 3% 10.6 0% 0%
Marquette (8-5) 14-16 5% 2% 4% 10.2 0% 0%
DePaul (7-7) 9-22 0% 0% 0% 15.6 0% 0%

Atlantic 10 Conference (3.3 Projected Bids)
Projected Seed Current Record & Projected Finish NCAA Tournament Bid Odds Seed Projection Detail
Seed S-Curve Team Proj W/L Bid Auto Bid At Large Bid Avg Seed 1-4 Seed 1 Seed
3 12 VCU (10-3) 25-6 99% 41% 58% 4.4 57% 2%
9 34 Geo Wshgtn (10-3) 23-8 71% 19% 52% 8.3 8% 0%
12 47 Davidson (9-2) 21-8 50% 11% 38% 9.1 3% 0%
Geo Mason (5-7) 11-19 0% 0% 0% 14.3 0% 0%
U Mass (7-6) 17-14 15% 4% 12% 11.1 0% 0%
Fordham (5-6) 8-21 0% 0% 0% 0.0 0% 0%
Rhode Island (8-3) 20-9 34% 10% 23% 9.5 1% 0%
St Josephs (6-5) 13-17 1% 0% 0% 12.3 0% 0%
St Bonavent (7-4) 16-13 3% 2% 1% 10.8 0% 0%
Duquesne (5-6) 10-19 0% 0% 0% 14.7 0% 0%
Dayton (10-2) 22-8 39% 7% 31% 9.0 2% 0%
La Salle (8-5) 18-13 14% 3% 10% 11.2 0% 0%
Richmond (7-6) 15-16 3% 2% 1% 12.2 0% 0%
Saint Louis (8-5) 13-18 0% 0% 0% 0.0 0% 0%

American Athletic Conference (3.4 Projected Bids)
Projected Seed Current Record & Projected Finish NCAA Tournament Bid Odds Seed Projection Detail
Seed S-Curve Team Proj W/L Bid Auto Bid At Large Bid Avg Seed 1-4 Seed 1 Seed
6 22 S Methodist (10-3) 23-7 87% 25% 62% 7.0 19% 0%
8 29 Cincinnati (9-3) 22-9 73% 15% 58% 7.4 14% 0%
10 40 Temple (10-4) 21-10 57% 8% 50% 8.7 4% 0%
12 46 Connecticut (6-5) 18-12 60% 34% 26% 10.2 2% 0%
13 50 Memphis (8-4) 20-11 51% 14% 37% 10.1 1% 0%
Tulsa (8-5) 17-13 14% 3% 11% 10.4 0% 0%
Central FL (7-5) 11-18 0% 0% 0% 15.9 0% 0%
Tulane (10-3) 17-13 1% 1% 0% 12.9 0% 0%
S Florida (6-8) 11-20 0% 0% 0% 0.0 0% 0%
E Carolina (7-7) 12-19 0% 0% 0% 14.6 0% 0%
Houston (7-5) 14-16 0% 0% 0% 14.3 0% 0%

Mountain West Conference (2.3 Projected Bids)
Projected Seed Current Record & Projected Finish NCAA Tournament Bid Odds Seed Projection Detail
Seed S-Curve Team Proj W/L Bid Auto Bid At Large Bid Avg Seed 1-4 Seed 1 Seed
7 28 Colorado St (14-0) 26-5 66% 18% 48% 7.4 6% 0%
7 27 San Diego St (11-3) 24-7 78% 30% 48% 8.0 6% 0%
Fresno St (5-9) 11-20 0% 0% 0% 15.1 0% 0%
Nevada (4-8) 10-20 0% 0% 0% 15.0 0% 0%
Boise State (10-4) 21-10 23% 12% 11% 11.2 0% 0%
San Jose St (2-11) 4-26 0% 0% 0% 0.0 0% 0%
Wyoming (11-2) 21-9 16% 9% 7% 11.8 0% 0%
New Mexico (9-4) 18-12 9% 6% 2% 12.1 0% 0%
UNLV (9-4) 20-11 33% 22% 11% 11.2 0% 0%
Air Force (7-5) 15-14 1% 1% 0% 15.1 0% 0%
Utah State (8-5) 14-16 1% 1% 0% 14.9 0% 0%