Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

[robinreed]

OLIVER LUCK QUITS AS WVU AD. WILL BECOME EXEC AT NCAA

Luck was a major proponent of expansion in the Big 12 and spoke in public for such expansion. He is now leaving for the NCAA and will have little or no influence on the B12 in future. Does this mean that expansion in the Big 12 is done for? Luck was opposed by Texas (re expansion) and I suspect this will mean the B12 is less likely to expand.

What say you?

[Westbrook#36]

ANDREW LUCK QUITS AS WVU AD. WILL BECOME EXEC AT NCAA

Luck was a major proponent of expansion in the Big 12 and spoke in public for such expansion. He is now leaving for the NCAA and will have little or no influence on the B12 in future. Does this mean that expansion in the Big 12 is done for? Luck was opposed by Texas (re expansion) and I suspect this will mean the B12 is less likely to expand.

What say you?

The QB of the Indy Colts is quitting at WVU? What, he has a second job? Don't the Colts pay that well?

J/K, you mean Oliver Luck, Andrew's dad quit.

[robinreed]

ANDREW LUCK QUITS AS WVU AD. WILL BECOME EXEC AT NCAA

Luck was a major proponent of expansion in the Big 12 and spoke in public for such expansion. He is now leaving for the NCAA and will have little or no influence on the B12 in future. Does this mean that expansion in the Big 12 is done for? Luck was opposed by Texas (re expansion) and I suspect this will mean the B12 is less likely to expand.

What say you?

The QB of the Indy Colts is quitting at WVU? What, he has a second job? Don't the Colts pay that well?

J/K, you mean Oliver Luck, Andrew's dad quit.

Thanks Westbrook, As a Bengals fan I would not mind if Andrew quit however you are correct it was his father Oliver.

[NJRedman]

OLIVER LUCK QUITS AS WVU AD. WILL BECOME EXEC AT NCAA

Luck was a major proponent of expansion in the Big 12 and spoke in public for such expansion. He is now leaving for the NCAA and will have little or no influence on the B12 in future. Does this mean that expansion in the Big 12 is done for? Luck was opposed by Texas (re expansion) and I suspect this will mean the B12 is less likely to expand.

What say you?

It doesn't change anything. WVU had little say in the conference anyway. The issues that league faces still exists.

[notkirkcameron]

It doesn't change anything. WVU had little say in the conference anyway. The issues that league faces still exists.

Does this point away from Memphis and Cincy and closer to Boise/BYU/Colorado State?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wc-AQJ2MYo

[DeltaV]

Geography? No fertile recruiting grounds? An unsubstantial market?
If the presidents thought that there was a benefit in adding them (and/or one of: SLU, Dayton, VCU, etc.) they'd already be in.

The geography problem is exaggerated. They're 2 hours in the air past Creighton.

Speaking of Creighton, they don't have a big market either. What they have in common with Gonzaga is the fact that they have a rabid fan base and sell out every game. What Gonzaga has that Creighton doesn't have is that Gonzaga is a household name brand.

Not a recruiting ground. Okay, I'll give you that. But I think that the Vig ?East has plenty of those with teams that don't have the positives that Gonzaga does.

So, the presidents haven't chosen to act in them? It's a well guarded secret that a college presidents have been known to be wrong at times. A partner to bring in with them would be make the scheduling a little easier, but it's not essential. Bring them in by themselves and.et the rest sort itself out. It's doable.

Right or wrong, if the C7 presidents had thought that Gonzaga was a viable option, they would have been part of the 'original 10' and we would be debating if SLU, Dayton, or VCU were the appropriate pair to go with whichever of Creighton/Butler didn't get the invite (I'm assuming Xavier would have been in).

They didn't, so we have the 10 schools that we have; and I think we should be happy with them. UConn isn't going to give up their dreams of P5 membership, and Duke isn't going to somehow decide to give up football and join a basketball-only conference.

Strange things are probably afoot with regards to the conferences, and in my opinion our best chance at survival is to stay nimble and ready to respond to changes. Neither loading ourselves down with travel commitments nor A10 teams is going to accomplish that. We stay the course, grow our brand, and make ourselves an attractive landing spot on the off chance that football realignment makes us an attractive landing spot for a strong basketball school left on the outside of the football world.

[Xudash]

Geography? No fertile recruiting grounds? An unsubstantial market?
If the presidents thought that there was a benefit in adding them (and/or one of: SLU, Dayton, VCU, etc.) they'd already be in.

The geography problem is exaggerated. They're 2 hours in the air past Creighton.

Speaking of Creighton, they don't have a big market either. What they have in common with Gonzaga is the fact that they have a rabid fan base and sell out every game. What Gonzaga has that Creighton doesn't have is that Gonzaga is a household name brand.

Not a recruiting ground. Okay, I'll give you that. But I think that the Vig ?East has plenty of those with teams that don't have the positives that Gonzaga does.

So, the presidents haven't chosen to act in them? It's a well guarded secret that a college presidents have been known to be wrong at times. A partner to bring in with them would be make the scheduling a little easier, but it's not essential. Bring them in by themselves and.et the rest sort itself out. It's doable.

Right or wrong, if the C7 presidents had thought that Gonzaga was a viable option, they would have been part of the 'original 10' and we would be debating if SLU, Dayton, or VCU were the appropriate pair to go with whichever of Creighton/Butler didn't get the invite (I'm assuming Xavier would have been in).

They didn't, so we have the 10 schools that we have; and I think we should be happy with them. UConn isn't going to give up their dreams of P5 membership, and Duke isn't going to somehow decide to give up football and join a basketball-only conference.

Strange things are probably afoot with regards to the conferences, and in my opinion our best chance at survival is to stay nimble and ready to respond to changes. Neither loading ourselves down with travel commitments nor A10 teams is going to accomplish that. We stay the course, grow our brand, and make ourselves an attractive landing spot on the off chance that football realignment makes us an attractive landing spot for a strong basketball school left on the outside of the football world.

This.

And consider if the presidents had rushed to a decision simply for the sake of expansion. VCU has gone from their high preseason ranking to out of the rankings. SLU essentially has tanked at this point (perhaps they have some good recruits coming in, but they aren't demonstrating that they can be consistent). UD is the worst of them all, having booted to huge assholes off their team today for committing multiple campus burglaries, terrorizing the students they were stealing from along the way. And that follows Archie Miller's decision to reinstate a sex offender during the prior season.

Yes, we stay the course and grow our brand. That is our minimum winning position.

[stever20]

Even with VCU's "slow start" right now in the bracket matrix, they are a 6 seed. Higher than any Big East school not named Villanova. VCU has played the toughest schedule in the country right now- Tennessee, 10-0 Villanova, 8-1 Old Dominion, 9-0 Virginia, 9-1 Northern Iowa, 6-3 Oregon. Sorry but as much as you want them to go away, they just aren't.

[Xudash]

Even with VCU's "slow start" right now in the bracket matrix, they are a 6 seed. Higher than any Big East school not named Villanova. VCU has played the toughest schedule in the country right now- Tennessee, 10-0 Villanova, 8-1 Old Dominion, 9-0 Virginia, 9-1 Northern Iowa, 6-3 Oregon. Sorry but as much as you want them to go away, they just aren't.

I didn't write anything about wanting VCU to go away. I was agreeing with DeltaV about holding steady for now and building the brand. VCU may or may not make sense down the road, but it doesn't make sense for now and the near future.

[billyjack]

One comment on VCU...
Fun team and all, but from memory here, it seems like recently in any "showdown" non-conference "statement" games that VCU has had with great opponents, they get hammered.

Off the top of my head:
This year, tourney kickoff vs Villanova, lost by 20.
(they then did beat Oregon easily, but it played out like an anti-climatic undercard game).
Later, showdown at home to Virginia, lost by 20.

Last year, tourney kickoff in Puerto Rico vs Florida State, were losing by 30.

Another year, big NCAA showdown matchup with Michigan, lost by 30.
Same year, big A-10 showdown with Saint Louis, were losing by 30 (this was in conference of course).
Another year, hammered by Seton Hall.

Good wins vs Tennessee, Oregon, Northern Iowa, Virginia close last year, but man, in their massive showdown games, "statement" games recently, they've gotten rocked. The only recent comparable ooc game for any of the 10 of us was Creighton vs Baylor... VCU has had like 5 of those disasters... and at least the Jays could point to their blowout wins vs Cal, Nebraska and Villanova twice, among others like vs PC.

I remember the ACC matchups, because I want VCU to blow out every ACC opponent... that's why the FSU and Virginia blowouts stick in my head... it gives cover to the ACC, who can conveniently point to a blowout win vs VCU to give their overrated teams credibility.