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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby Boyee » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:48 pm

If Cincinnati and Memphis leave for the Big 12, it will be devastating for the American Athletic Conference and would leave Connecticut with only one other Northern school in The American, Temple. The Big 12 really missed out in not adding Cincinnati and Louisville when they added West Virginia. Louisville is no longer an option for the Big 12 as they are now in the ACC. It is looks like the ACC is happy with 15 schools and likely won't add a 16th school. I think Cincinnati and Brigham Young would be better for the Big 12 to add, but with the new College Football Playoff they need 12 schools ASAP. I don't think any of the Big 12 schools outside of the State of Texas would want any more Texas schools in the Big 12.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby notkirkcameron » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:30 pm

If Cincinnati and Memphis leave the American, you have to think the top of the list for replacements would focus on the north. I have to imagine Marshall, UMass, and Army (football only) would spring to the top of the list.

Ironically making the American essentially Conference USA from 2005.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby jatrain » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:38 am

NJRedman wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:
NJRedman wrote:
I don't know what you don't understand about this. AS OF RIGHT NOW YOU CAN'T HAVE A CCG WITH LESS THAN 12 TEAMS AND TWO DIVISIONS!!!' It is a hard and fast rule. This isn't an opinion this is a fact. They want to change that rule but they need the other four conferences to approve it, and there is no reason to believe they will. What part of that don't you understand? That link you posted isn't dome reputable news site not does it say it's going to happen.


Where did I say that today you can have a championship game with 10? I said it is under discussion by the Big 12, which it is. You said No Chance In Hell. I said, it is being discussed, so there is your Chance In Hell. Your validation isn't needed for the Big 12 to take this under discussion. I'm sure they are also discussing how to get the less than sacred rule rescinded. It is not cast in stone. Read up on the rule. It was written for Division II teams. It's not one of those golden rules that can not be discussed.

You can continue to have your opinion. I don't need to agree with it.


Great, then don't agree with the NCAA rule. They still have to abide by it.


You're overstating the objections by the rest of P5 conferences to deregulation of Conference Championship games. This issue was expressly discussed and negotiated among the P5 when they were deciding strategies in their push for autotomy. The Big 12 has been leaning towards requesting it even though they have consistently said that they don't want to have a CCG (the coaches are especially against it) to simply give themselves more options. The ACC is for it (deregulation) and have said they will push for a vote on it because they want to do away the divisional requirements and have the option to match up their number 1 and number 2 schools in order to boost SOS. The SEC is neutral to favorable on the issue because they are currently having significant internal strife on their scheduling system. Schools like LSU feel like they have to play an unfairly difficult schedule due to the way they choose cross-divisional games. Removal of the divisional requirements would allow them much more flexibility to better balance out there schedules (including possible a pod type system).
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby stever20 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:11 pm

you could see the deregulation approved w/o the 12 team minimum removed. It's not a either/or type of situation in my opinion.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby NJRedman » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:23 pm

jatrain wrote:
NJRedman wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:Where did I say that today you can have a championship game with 10? I said it is under discussion by the Big 12, which it is. You said No Chance In Hell. I said, it is being discussed, so there is your Chance In Hell. Your validation isn't needed for the Big 12 to take this under discussion. I'm sure they are also discussing how to get the less than sacred rule rescinded. It is not cast in stone. Read up on the rule. It was written for Division II teams. It's not one of those golden rules that can not be discussed.

You can continue to have your opinion. I don't need to agree with it.


Great, then don't agree with the NCAA rule. They still have to abide by it.


You're overstating the objections by the rest of P5 conferences to deregulation of Conference Championship games. This issue was expressly discussed and negotiated among the P5 when they were deciding strategies in their push for autotomy. The Big 12 has been leaning towards requesting it even though they have consistently said that they don't want to have a CCG (the coaches are especially against it) to simply give themselves more options. The ACC is for it (deregulation) and have said they will push for a vote on it because they want to do away the divisional requirements and have the option to match up their number 1 and number 2 schools in order to boost SOS. The SEC is neutral to favorable on the issue because they are currently having significant internal strife on their scheduling system. Schools like LSU feel like they have to play an unfairly difficult schedule due to the way they choose cross-divisional games. Removal of the divisional requirements would allow them much more flexibility to better balance out there schedules (including possible a pod type system).


The ACC rule change they are pushing for are about divisions and doesn't mention changing the rule about needing 12 teams for a CCG. The conferences have no reason to do the Big XII this favor.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby Bill Marsh » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:24 pm

Two separate Connecticut media outlets - Hartford Courant and WTHN/Channel 8 have written articles within the past week calling for UConnto get out of the AAC. One suggested the Big East as their landing spot. Very interesting. :o
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby JohnT » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:27 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:Two separate Connecticut media outlets - Hartford Courant and WTHN/Channel 8 have written articles within the past week calling for UConnto get out of the AAC. One suggested the Big East as their landing spot. Very interesting. :o

link? Sorry, it's been a while since I've been here and am playing catch up.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby stever20 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:46 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:Two separate Connecticut media outlets - Hartford Courant and WTHN/Channel 8 have written articles within the past week calling for UConnto get out of the AAC. One suggested the Big East as their landing spot. Very interesting. :o

I think until Memphis/Cincy leave- UConn won't do anything. But if those 2 in particular go- the equation changes 100% to me. I think at that point a lot of basketball fans in particular will start to make a huge stink about things- way more than we've seen so far.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby BigMac » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:04 pm

UCONN is going to the B1G. If Rutgers football was good enough for Delaney, so is UCONN...
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby NJRedman » Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:11 pm

BigMac wrote:UCONN is going to the B1G. If Rutgers football was good enough for Delaney, so is UCONN...


Two very different schools. Rutgers since it absorbed the medical school is now one of the biggest research schools in the country. They have a much deeper FB history and although mediocre Rutgers has been the better program since UConn has made the jump to FBS. Also NJ is a much better state to have in terms of both recruiting grounds and TV households.

Not to mention UConn isn't even AAU.
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